Parliment And Thyroid

www.medscape.com/viewarticle/524955

Wow. I didnt know that there was a petition in parliament to shake up the way endocrinologists prescribe thyroid.

The rest of the article is rather revealing too. It gives the perspective of one endocrinologist who is trying to figure out why the public is so angry and dissatisfied with endocrinologists and their science. My answer --- A good theory fits the observed facts. His science falls short of this basic premise. People arent experiencing just placebo effects when they are given a supplement of thyroid despite normal blood tests. People arent just experiencing placebo effects when they are switched to Armour or add in Cytomel. When the conventional science of endocrinology doesnt explain these observations, it doesnt mean the observations are false, it means there is something wrong with the science or its interpretation.




Hey Polly. I hope you got my greetings below under CMV.

I have seen a lot of articles in medical papers/journals to do with "subclinical" thyroid problems in the last few years, but it doesn't seem doctors have been able to apply the ideas that are floating around in a practical way all the same, despite their newfound knowledge of how misleading many thyroid tests can be.

I should say the knowledge doctors are re-gaining in fact, because I understand in the "old days" they used to just treat thyroid symptoms on the basis of observation before all these sophisticated, but often misleading tests came along.

I had thyroid results that were still in the normal range for quite a while, but strange, and fairly standard symptoms. I kept asking, "why is that result borderline, but that one normal?" and silly questions like that. Even when things got clearly into the abnormal ranges, I was told "that just means your thyroid's working very well." Ha, ha, ha, ha.......

Finally, after I gained weight and was sleeping almost around the clock, a good doctor realized what was going on and put me on a thyroid supplement, since when things have improved in that area.

The most alarming part about it all was, because of other people's bad thyroid experiences, I was warned to watch my thyroid carefully, which I thought I was doing. But, making sure I got the testing was one thing, the way they interpreted the results was quite another!

At one point, I asked a top-notch specialist "shouldn't I see an endocrinologist about all this?"

He just looked me straight in the eye and said "All endocrinologists are mad." Well, I was shocked and don't quite believe that, but I think he meant to say there's still a lot they have to discover, and some of them are perhaps more prone to testing and inaction than treating.


>Hey . I hope you got my greetings below under CMV.

Hi Jed, good to hear from you. Yes I saw them. I think you got a good reply about the homeopathics and acupuncture points for treatment of CMV. I wonder how many practitioners know enough to do that. It sure seems unusual. The only thing I know about viruses is IV vitamin C and sometimes monolaurin. There are herb mixtures, but I dont know anything more than to just call up a herb place like the Monastery of Herbs in Granada Hills.

Your thyroid experience is very upsetting. At least you had a clue from other patients that blood tests could be very misleading. So sad to think that you and millions of others have put their trust in endocrinologists to interpret those readings. I came close to trusting an endocrinologist once. I took my child to a pediatric endocrinologist because I thought her thyroid was off. The endocrinologist did other tests, but he wouldnt even do a thyroid blood test because my child was tall for her age. In retrospect, Im glad that he didnt test her thyroid. Otherwise, I might not have gone to the next doctor. She definitely and desperately needed thyroid. Still does now as a teenager. Yes. There is something definitely wrong with the way endocrinologists are taught today. Yet, Ive never heard a doctor call endocrinologists mad or insane before. I guess it is because common sense seems to have been thrown out the window in favor of rigid interpretation of numbers.



I will pass the CMV ideas on to my friend.

Glad to hear you worked things out for your daughter's thyroid!


Do you know how to find a good doctor for this?

I have several family members with established thyroid problems, and some of us with "normal" thyroid panels, but every symptom of thyroid disease. We are Downwinders, and our water has perchlorate in it. My three sisters are very hormonally-challenged. They each are having a real tough time for the last year or so. I'm convinced much of it is thyroid as well as female stuff. One sister is menopausal and miserable. She's been on thyroxin for about 14 years. Another had a hysterectomy several years ago, and has not been the same since. Her recent thyroid tests were out of range. My youngest sister has always had irregular hormones, very irregular cycles, probably has polycystic ovary disease. They're in need of relief!

Judy


I'd ask at the local health food store for a doctor. Then call and make sure that this doctor has not objections to using Armour.

You can also get a list of "top doctors" at the about.com site. These are doctors that at least one patient liked. Then there is the Broda Barnes Foundation. They have a list of doctors that will prescribe Armour.


Couldn't agree more, Polly. It is strange and suprising to me that doctors tend to practice medicine with the pretense that presently accepted science is absolute and complete. Its so different from the law, where anyone claiming a new factual scenario is given careful individual consideration and has the real potential to alter the general body of law.


http://www.ewg.org/issues/perchlorate/20061004/index.php

Although regulators have known for years that the rocket fuel chemical perchlorate contaminates hundreds of drinking water supplies across the country, new scientific evidence clearly shows that perchlorate is a much greater public health threat than previously realized. Tests of almost 3,000 human urine and breast milk samples along with tests of more than 1,000 fruit, vegetable, cow's milk, beer, and wine samples reveal that perchlorate exposure in the population is pervasive. And a startling new Centers for Disease Control study (CDC), released today, shows that perchlorate exposure is related to reduced thyroid hormone levels in women, particularly those with lower iodide intake. An Environmental Working Group (EWG) analysis shows that 44 million women are at particular risk to perchlorate-related health effects.


Almost everyone in my family has thyroid problems and I have all the symptoms, but all the doctors I have been to say that mine is in the normal range. I have had severe menstual pain for 18 years. I have to take prescription pain pills during that time and yet all the doctors can't find anything wrong with me according to their tests. I wish that there was an answer regarding these hormonal problems.

Maggie,

Same here. My family is from southern Utah, and now live in southern Nevada. Nevada Test Site set off above-ground bombs from 1951-1962 with radioactive iodine 131, which affects the thyroid. If you're from southern Utah, having thyroid problems is almost a given. I remember as a kid seeing many people with scars on their necks from thyroid surgery. A lot more people were affected by that than anyone realizes.
Not just southern Utah, but other areas of the U.S.

http://www.ieer.org/latest/i131info.html

I have all the symtoms of hypothyroid. Have had mine tested at least a dozen times the last 3 years. All tests show normal.

(My mistake: my sister is on synthroid, not thyroxin.)

I also had painful cycles. I didn't know any different and thought everyone did. My sister in law said that she never even knew she was menstrual, except she required protection. Can't imagine!

Our environment is so polluted with endocrine disruptors everywhere, food and water - people's hormones are all screwy. This impacts moods, fertility, early menopause, delayed puberty, insomnia, transgender sexuality, obesity, cancers, etc. etc.

This might interest you. I'd like to find someone who does this. We did have a homeopath who treated us this way for Epstein Barr. It works! They also did this experimentally with astragalus on rats for pelvic inflammatory disease.

http://www.medscape.com/viewarticle/494022_4

looking for answers!

Judy


Fallout affected a large population. (This is a big issue with me! I was a child of the fifties.)

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Image:US_fallout_exposure.png

We drank lots of milk!
http://www.ieer.org/latest/iodnart.html