Sick With Lyme
It's been a loooonnngggggg time since I've been back. I am still really, really sick with heavy metals, candida and worst of all: Lyme! This past year has been filled with surgeries and complications to those surgeries which nearly resulted in my death. My lungs have fluid now, allergies are out of control, severe weakness, unable to walk at times and a host of symptoms I won't bother to write out in this post. It's been one thing after another. I am really needing to focus on the Lyme because it seems it is suppressing my immune system and allowing all other problems to activate. I feel like I'm playing that game called Sorry. Just when you think you're getting somewhere, something happens and you're sent all the way back to start. I'm hoping a new approach will break that cycle.
Well, I'm tired, so good-bye for now.
Hi Pace,
Nice to see you here and sorry to things are so rough. Steroids will do that to you..
But it is good you know what is going on and yes, there are various things you can do to help with the lyme.
I am one of those who have een on c-salt for like 15, 16 months and just recently lowered the dose and some of my infectious symptoms spiked. I am ack on it and I do feel like it has helped a lot (though I wish it was a cure and it may e ut it may take along long time).
I had to take the c-salt SO SO SLOW also, starting with 1-2 grams and moving my way up over months and months. That is how toxic I was and how much lyme I had/have.
Now I am up to 10 grams and am now moving to cocentrate on meatal chelation and candida which are still ig prolems..will eventually explore other things like atlas one readjustment and homepathy.
I wish I had known aout c-salt though YEARS ago.. I think along with thyroid, Olive Leaf Extract, and chlorella, it has made a huge huge difference.
What does your LLMD suggest?? I would give c-salt at a low dose a shot. At this point it seems important to do something and it seems to have helped a lot of folks.
If you would like to talk on the phone just let me know. This can e frightening ut I think you have some good options at your disposal.
Glad you are ack Pace! We missed you.
Hi b,
Great to hear from you!
>>Nice to see you here and sorry to things are so rough. Steroids will do that to you..
Thanks for your supportive words. Yeah, those steroids really knocked me for a loop. :-0
>>I am one of those who have been on c-salt for like 15, 16 months and just recently lowered the dose and some of my infectious symptoms spiked. I am back on it and I do feel like it has helped a lot (though I wish it was a cure and it may be but it may take along long time).
Wow! that's interesting that when you lowered the Salt/C some infectious symptoms spiked. Have you had any creepy crawlies leave through your skin? Some have reported that happens with the Salt/C. Do you think you will stay on the Salt/C for a long, long time?
>>I had to take the c-salt SO SO SLOW also, starting with 1-2 grams and moving my way up over months and months. That is how toxic I was and how much lyme I had/have.
I do remember you could only take a little bit at a time. I kind of wished I'd had started with you. Who knows? Maybe I'd be much better now.
>>Now I am up to 10 grams and am now moving to cocentrate on meatal chelation and candida which are still big problems..will eventually explore other things like atlas bone readjustment and homepathy.
I've heard homeopathy is really good. I don't know about the atlas bone readjustment, but I often get neck problems where my head attaches to my neck, C1. I've learned to work subtle movements with it and it helps the rest of my back.
>>I wish I had known about c-salt though YEARS ago.. I think along with thyroid, Olive Leaf Extract, and chlorella, it has made a huge huge difference.
I'm glad you're making such a huge improvement and I really hope it continues.
>>What does your LLMD suggest?? I would give c-salt at a low dose a shot. At this point it seems important to do something and it seems to have helped a lot of folks.
I'm looking for a new LLMD. The old one told me not to do the Salt/C. He didn't say why. He does have a couple of patients on it, but he told me not to do it. It's confusing.
>>If you would like to talk on the phone just let me know. This can be frightening but I think you have some good options at your disposal.
Thanks Biella! I appreciate that. I am confused about what to do. SOme believe that this will only be cured with antibiotics. Some think it can be cured without them. I already know the devastating effects of antibiotics but am anxious for a cure!
>>Glad you are back ! We missed you.
Awww, thanks! I missed you too.
Hi Pace,
I'm sorry things are so bad. I keep thinking "bone broths and umeboshi plums" when I read your post. I have learned a lot about the mineralizing/alkalizing power of 12 hour slow cooked bone broth, and I love ume plums any time I'm not well.
I hope you are soon feeling better..It's been such a long road!
Sheryl, where do you get your Umbeoshi plums from? I read a while back that those are excellent but no one in my area carries them ( surprise, surprise ).
Hi!
I get them at Whole Foods. You might be able to find them by googling "umeboshi plums" or I know you can order them from The Kushi Institute and I "think" it's www.kushiinstitute.com. :)
Thanks! We don't have a whole foods here yet, but there is talk... so soon hopefully :-).
You know, I went into one of the Asian markets a while back, and would you believe they had NO fresh foods??? I was astonished to find a whole store full of packaged crap that contained all sorts of weird wacky ingredients like MSG and loads of sugar ( many more I didn't recognize ). Crazy. I thought Asian foods were healthy for the most part? I guess everyone has gone to processed now :-(.
I know! I used to go there for my young coconuts and was amazed at the wacky stuff full of dye and chemicals etc..WE did have one market with lots of produce, but nothing organic..I think just the opposite..massive avacados and cukes etc..Abnormally big and perfect. I hope you can get the plums. There is a great tea you can make from the paste that is great for your intestines and stomach. When I eat a plum during times of feeling sick, I stick it in between my cheek and teeth and switch sides every so often. They are very hard to chew because they are so salty. They are awesome. I always feel like a new person after eating one. I have read that you should suck the pit for a while after the plum is gone for added benefit.
Hi Sheryl,
How are you? Sweet to hear from you.
Your suggestions sound yummy. :-) Do you have any recipes?? I'm sure you're right about the broth remineralizing and nutrition. I love broths & soups.
I hope you are doing well.
Pace!!!
It's so good to hear from you. You know we worry. I am soo sorry you are going through this...
You know that I was in similar shape and almost died 3.5 years ago. I suspect I have lyme too and that it flared big time after that almost deadly allergic reaction and not being able to eat for two months.. I had all the classic signs.
Believe me, things could NOT have been worse. I wish I knew then how much better I'd be feeling and how much easier things would get over the next few years..
As I think you know, I haven't taken any pharmaceuticals and haven't even done a whole lot in the way of antimicrobials. Everyone is different but I have found there is sooo much progress you can make with energy med and nutrition, esp when you can't handle much else.
Hang in there and keep fighting the good fight. If I could climb out of that hole and find the light, there is truly hope for everyone. I know you are a fighter and have made great comebacks before - you can do it again!!
baby steps, right. we'll keep praying..
love, xo
Hi Shari!!!!
It's wonderful to talk with you!
>>You know that I was in similar shape and almost died 3.5 years ago. I suspect I have lyme too and that it flared big time after that almost deadly allergic reaction and not being able to eat for two months.. I had all the classic signs.
This is SCARY!
>>Believe me, things could NOT have been worse. I wish I knew then how much better I'd be feeling and how much easier things would get over the next few years..
I'm thrilled you are so much better. I guess we never know what's around the corner.
>>As I think you know, I haven't taken any pharmaceuticals and haven't even done a whole lot in the way of antimicrobials. Everyone is different but I have found there is sooo much progress you can make with energy med and nutrition, esp when you can't handle much else.
Yes, you are right. We are all so different (makes life interesting, right!) and what works for one may not work for another.
>>Hang in there and keep fighting the good fight. If I could climb out of that hole and find the light, there is truly hope for everyone. I know you are a fighter and have made great comebacks before - you can do it again!!
Thanks for the support. You're a great cheerleader!
>>baby steps, right. we'll keep praying..
Yes! Don't stare up the stairs, just step up the steps, little by little, inch by inch we will get there.
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Love,
Hi Pace,
Glad to hear from you, but sorry to hear things are still so rough!!
Have you tried any of the components of the "100 day cure" for lyme?
We've all been thinking of you and wishing you the best!
Hi dpd,
Sorry to say, I didn't get to try any of the 100 day protocol :-( Basically, I had to get my heart problems under control. I was barely able to put one foot in front of the other. I've done nothing for Candida or Lyme. I do think that I had some sort of reaction to all the antibiotics I took for my heart and also the heavy duty steroids suppressed my immune system to the point I've been sick, sick, sick ever since. It's not a cold, but for the last 25 days I've had cold-like, flu-like symptoms, fevers, body aches, (even my eyelids & fingernails hurt) coughs, & fatigue that's worse than ever before. My body doesn't respond "normal" (if there is such a thing) to the stressors of surgery and procedures. I only can compare surgery now to surgery when I was young and healthy: night & day difference. It's like I don't bounce back or something. My kidney function levels are now out of wack, and sugar levels are high. My lymph is low--whatever that means?? ;-0Today I spoke with a woman who claims to have no more Lyme in her blood. She embarked on a year-long program by a Naturopath (is about 6 mos. into it) and is finally getting her life back. She can go places and do things now. She can actually eat food normally. The Naturopath deals with Lyme, Candida, heavy metals. The beginning part of the program uses heavy metals to kill the Lyme (It's something that was used to cure/treat Syphillus years ago. Lyme & Syphilus are both spirochetes.) So, she started with heavy metals (not mercury), and, at the same time used something to pull out metals along with many supplements and changing her diet completely. Now, at the 6 month point she is doing pulsed Colloidal Silver and a bunch of other supplements. She knows others who went to this clinic and are doing much, much better now. She thinks antibiotics are futile because it takes a minimum of 8 months for the Lyme to go through it's life cycle. During that time, antibiotics are only effective during parts of the lifecycle. If any Lyme bacteria is left behind, they easily become resistant and stronger to the next round or type of anti-biotics.
This is what I learned today. I am still trying to digest all of this and sort through it. Part of me says, "I've tried all of this before." Part of me says, "Maybe with the right guidance it will work."
Dpd, do you think you can beat Lyme without antibiotics? What does Dr. K think? BTW, where is Dr. K.?
Thanks,
Pace,
I certainly relate to not responding well to traumas. My wisdom tooth extraction surgeries set me back much further than they would have prior to lyme. I can't imagine going through what you have with the heart issues. And the idea of having put you steroids is mindboggling. Why was that necessary?>> Dpd, do you think you can beat Lyme without antibiotics?
When you say antibiotics, do you include antibiotic herbs?
I think you can beat lyme without pharmaceutical antibiotics. One exception might be the coinfection ehrlichia, but I presume there is a more natural approach to that as well.
I've only used two 10-day courses of keflex after my two wisdom tooth surgeries. I have never actually used traditional abx to fight the lyme complex. I've used a 20 day course of alinia for giardia and other bugs, and I've used biltricide for liver flukes. With that said, I do seem to be making good progress with the alternatives. I've doubled my lymphocyte concentrations related to lyme in the past 9 months, which is a good thing.
I met a woman recently who, along with all three of her children as well as her brother-in-law and his wife, has lyme. She and her daughters have been treated by the famous SF llmd using only abx for the past 8 years. She isn't doing well at all. She's had her colon burst from the inflamation presumably induced by the lack of normal flora along with pathogenic gut bugs. She has terrible whole body arthritis, and a host of other very familiar problems to the folks here.
Note that my lymphocyte levels are currently at 176, and she or her daughters have never risen above 100 in the past 8 years. Note for reference that Dr. K believes approximately 200 is necessary for a "cure", along with erradication of all other coinfections AND elimination of heavy metal toxicity.
Currently, I'm also feeling quite strong, and when I introduce new supplements that kill bugs the dieoff is usually still initially pretty killer, but I rebound much more quickly than in the past.
BTW, I still feel salt/c is amazing, and beleive all lymies need to give it an honest attempt as the basis of a protocol. Recall, it seems compatible with most if not all other modalities.
Dr. K still claims it's one of the MOST effective things he does.
>> What does Dr. K think? BTW, where is Dr. K.?
Well, the title of his famous paper is,
"Lyme Disease: A Look Beyond ABX", which indicates how he feels about treating lyme with abx. You should read that paper!
http://neuraltherapy.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdf
Hi dpd,
>>I certainly relate to not responding well to traumas. My wisdom tooth extraction surgeries set me back much further than they would have prior to lyme. I can't imagine going through what you have with the heart issues. And the idea of having put you steroids is mindboggling. Why was that necessary? <<
I have so many allergies (to at least 30 different drugs plus many foods & chemicals) the drs didnt think they could do the surgery safely without the steroids. I objected, but in the end, that was the way it went. They wouldnt take the chance. I consulted with another dr. who understands yeast and he said we will have to mop up the mess later. The steroids were and still are a big hit on my health! Although, I must say that the allergies calmed down for awhile.
>>>> Dpd, do you think you can beat Lyme without antibiotics?
>When you say antibiotics, do you include antibiotic herbs ?
I definitely would consider using herbal antibiotics for Lyme.
>I think you can beat lyme without pharmaceutical antibiotics. One exception might be the coinfection ehrlichia, but I presume there is a more natural approach to that as well.
Im also dealing with Mycoplasma. I recently found out it is a co-infection for Lyme.
>I've only used two 10-day courses of keflex after my two wisdom tooth surgeries. I have never actually used traditional abx to fight the lyme complex. I've used a 20 day course of alinia for giardia and other bugs, and I've used biltricide for liver flukes. With that said, I do seem to be making good progress with the alternatives. I've doubled my lymphocyte concentrations related to lyme in the past 9 months, which is a good thing. Im glad youre making progress. When you say lymphocyte concentrations related toLyme are you referring to the CD-57 or something else? I learned my B-Cells are low normal range. Not sure about Lymphocyte count as it relates to Lyme. I had a Lymphocyte Subset Panel done..Im not sure about the interpretation of it though.there are a few low normal readings..>I met a woman recently who, along with all three of her children as well as her brother-in-law and his wife, has lyme. She and her daughters have been treated by the famous SF llmd using only abx for the past 8 years. She isn't doing well at all. She's had her colon burst from the inflamation presumably induced by the lack of normal flora along with pathogenic gut bugs. She has terrible whole body arthritis, and a host of other very familiar problems to the folks here. Note that my lymphocyte levels are currently at 176, and she or her daughters have never risen above 100 in the past 8 years. Note for reference that Dr. K believes approximately 200 is necessary for a "cure", along with erradication of all other coinfections AND elimination of heavy metal toxicity. Wow! This is very scary!!! It is a place I dont want to go. Although when I read about another spirochete, syphilis, at Wikipedia, it makes me want to run to the nearest dr. to get the strongest antibiotics I can get my hands on.>Currently, I'm also feeling quite strong, and when I introduce new supplements that kill bugs the dieoff is usually still initially pretty killer, but I rebound much more quickly than in the past. I am really glad you are feeling so much stronger!!! Youve been down a long road on your journey to health. I read that the herx should only be about 24-48 hours. We both know that most of us here have had much more intense herxes than that. Im glad youre bouncing back faster from the set backs. >BTW, I still feel salt/c is amazing, and beleive all lymies need to give it an honest attempt as the basis of a protocol. Recall, it seems compatible with most if not all other modalities. Dr. K still claims it's one of the MOST effective things he does. I had a herx from Salt/C. My current LLMD discouraged me twice from doing it. He gave no explanation. ????>>>> What does Dr. K think? BTW, where is Dr. K.?
>Well, the title of his famous paper is, "Lyme Disease: A Look Beyond ABX", which indicates how he feels about treating lyme with abx. You should read that paper! Thanks for the link. Im going to post this and then go check it out.
Take care! Good to talk with you again on the forum.
Hi Pace,
yes I was referring to my CD-57. you've had a stricker panel, correct? if you don't mind me asking, what was your cd-57?
regarding mycoplasma, it seems these infections are ubiquitous with lyme. i've tested positive for myco pneumoniae antibodies, and two darkfield microscopies 5 and 6 years showed my blood teaming with the little bastards. they are very recognizable under the scope.... look like very well formed spheres, even though they don't have cell walls.
tons of enzymes and colloidal silver seems to hit them pretty hard.
I dont think you have it quite right there dpd, they do have cell walls otherwise they couldnt exist ,,but the walls are very much more insubstantial and fragile than normal bacteria ..I believe its their Achilles heal ..in cell form they are relatively easy to kill Most antifungals work against the cell wall .its fairly clear that they works against Cell wall deficient [CWD] bacteria tooTrouble is they CWD bac are pleomorphic ..they change form ,making them a moving target Paul
Paul,
I thought myco were considered cwd bacteria.
The doc who found my myco pneumonia back in 2000 claimed the mcyo was stealing the cell walls of my rbc for their own. Any info on that?
What is an Achilles HEAL, and, if it works, where can I get one?
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol3no1/baseman.htm
Jed good article , havnt much time now ..take a look at this article. I've plenty of achilles heals how many do you want..Paulhttp://www.vri.cz/docs/vetmed/51-7-365.pdf
I'll try that first reference again so maybe it will work:
http://www.rhetoric.byu.edu/figures/R/rhetorical%20questions.htm
I think we are on some dangerous ground here, or perhaps I should say there's a lot of fertile culture medium around.
With regard to Achilles, please refer to this:
http://rhetoric.byu.edu/figures/R/rhetorical%20questions.htm
As for the microbiology and what you said on 10/26/06, and the article you posted on 10/27/06, please refer to this:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=26601
This:
http://www.lyme.org/otherdis/ld_bacterium.html
This:
http://www.ra-infection-connection.com/free_articles/Lyme.htm
This:
http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/
And, once again, this:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol3no1/baseman.htm
Deciphering all that as best I can:
While they have some similarities, Mycobacteria are quite different from Mycoplasma, and they in turn are different again from Spirochetes.
Mycobacteria are relatively large and aerobic bacterial organisms.
Mycoplasma are extremely small, virus-like, almost anaerobic bacterial organisms.
Mycoplasma ALWAYS lack traditional cell walls. They do, however, have membranes/protein coats.
Mycobacteria can have traditional cell walls AND cell-wall-deficient (CWD) L forms.
The bacterial organisms causing Lyme (various species of Borrelia) and Syphilis (Treponema pallidium) are generally referred to as Spirochetes.
Like Mycobacteria, the Spirochete Borrelia can have a combination of forms WITH cell walls (corkscrew shaped), and WITHOUT cell walls, known as cell-wall-deficient(CWD) L forms and, in the case of Borrelia, cyst forms.
In manifesting itself in BOTH walled AND CWD forms, the Borrelia Spirochete differs from the Syphilis Spirochete Treponema pallidium.
The Syphilis Spirochete treponema pallidium ONLY occurs in a walled, cork-screw shaped, spirochetal form, and no other.
Generally speaking, from what I've seen, prescription substances may be bactericidal and/or bacteriostatic, but not necessarily both. Ditto fungicidal and fungistatic substances. The cidals usually attack the cell walls of organisms, the statics their selective reproductive processes.
That is, I think..... It's nearly all Greek and Linear B to me!
On the subject (sort of), have you seem how a lot of Mycoplasma research is from the Trojan mainland, i.e. modern-day Turkey?
Great post Jed , thanks for the references, Ive saved the info, when you think about it ,to change form[s] and back again is just breathtakingly amazing . throw in microbes ability to share genetic material and were up another level in amazement.
Thing is , most of these pathogens are commensal, that is we have evolved with them ,I read that some think Helicobacter Pylori is commensal , yet for the most part we live in harmony with them . We may even need them .in small quantities that is
It comes back to immunity ,I saw a well know Lyme doc a few weeks back , I found myself nodding my head vigorously when he said antibiotics will only take you so far..Your immune system MUST take over to finish the job ..Thats where I am , have I/we the antibodies to finish the job ,is the anergy we experience with chronic infection too profound .How to seed the IS is the task how to clear the decks and prime the IS thats the task, not find the ultimate antibiotic Paul
I agree with you on many points there.
However, I must say a lot of these PATHOGENIC organisms can be ENTIRELY killed off as a problem with antibiotics (or an equivalent approach) if caught early enough in the infection process. Then there's no need to watch just what amazing things they can get up to, and struggle with them in the long term! In many cases, EARLY TREATMENT means ORGANISM ERADICATION, watching for secondary infections of course.
PLUS, in many cases with these chronic CWD pathogens, antibiotics or equivalent merely keep the organisms present at bay by stopping them reproducing to the extent possible, thereby giving the immune system a chance to then kill them.
Rebuilding, supporting, detoxifying and rebalancing an immune system that has been altered and overloaded by one or a combination of these nefarious organisms to favour themselves is the name of the game, for sure.
Recognizing ways to READJUST THE IMMUNE SYSTEM (one way or another, however works) also seems to be the path to healing and OVERCOMING THE ORGANISMS permanently.
I have been told many chronic illnesses of the kind we are dealing with will benefit from the ideas and discoveries we are now seeing emerge in areas such as PD1 manipulation, CSA development and so on.
I think we are on some dangerous ground here, or perhaps I should say there's a lot of fertile culture medium around.
With regard to Achilles, please refer to this:
http://rhetoric.byu.edu/figures/R/rhetorical%20questions.htm
As for the microbiology and what you said on 10/26/06, and the article you posted on 10/27/06, please refer to this:
http://www.medterms.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=26601
This:
http://www.lyme.org/otherdis/ld_bacterium.html
This:
http://www.ra-infection-connection.com/free_articles/Lyme.htm
This:
http://www.anapsid.org/lyme/
And, once again, this:
http://www.cdc.gov/ncidod/eid/vol3no1/baseman.htm
Deciphering all that as best I can:
While they have some similarities, Mycobacteria are quite different from Mycoplasma, and they in turn are different again from Spirochetes.
Mycobacteria are relatively large and aerobic bacterial organisms.
Mycoplasma are extremely small, virus-like, almost anaerobic bacterial organisms.
Mycoplasma ALWAYS lack traditional cell walls. They do, however, have membranes/protein coats.
Mycobacteria can have traditional cell walls AND cell-wall-deficient (CWD) L forms.
The bacterial organisms causing Lyme (various species of Borrelia) and Syphilis (Treponema pallidium) are generally referred to as Spirochetes.
Like Mycobacteria, the Spirochete Borrelia can have a combination of forms WITH cell walls (corkscrew shaped), and WITHOUT cell walls, known as cell-wall-deficient(CWD) L forms and, in the case of Borrelia, cyst forms.
In manifesting itself in BOTH walled AND CWD forms, the Borrelia Spirochete differs from the Syphilis Spirochete Treponema pallidium.
The Syphilis Spirochete treponema pallidium ONLY occurs in a walled, cork-screw shaped, spirochetal form, and no other.
Generally speaking, from what I've seen, prescription substances may be bactericidal and/or bacteriostatic, but not necessarily both. Ditto fungicidal and fungistatic substances. The cidals usually attack the cell walls of organisms, the statics their selective reproductive processes.
That is, I think..... It's nearly all Greek and Linear B to me!
On the subject (sort of), have you seem how a lot of Mycoplasma research is from the Trojan mainland, i.e. modern-day Turkey?
I got it done at the wrong lab--it showed 10. It turns out it's just as important to use the correct lab for this test as it is to use Igenex for the Lyme test.
Dr. K is located in a Seattle burb...
http://neuraltherapy.com/
dpd,
I noticed a statement in the paper under anergy regarding hypercoagulation. I have 3X the Vit. K in my blood. Talk about hypercoagulation!
dpd,
Sorry the above post doesn't make a whole lot of sense. I was referring to Dr.K's paper and the paragraph on anergy. That's where he talks about hypercoagulation that goes on.
With all my medical stuff this past 10 months, one thing keeps coming up over and over is my hypercoagulation. I have 3x the normal amount of Vit. K. Nurse called it a disorder and said it's coming from something. Dr. K's paper provides a decent clue for me. Maybe it's a classic sign of natural order of the Lyme takeover.
You'd be surprised how ignorant medical people are about Lyme. I don't say that in arrogance, just that it really hit me how very little they know about it. Some were very curious, other thought it was a simple disease. Most had no idea the extent of damage it can cause. You probably knew this already, though.
Pace
Hi Pace,
Yes, I had a doctor in Santa Rosa dx me with hypercoaguability, and claimed it was basically a symptom of lyme.
Here's an excerpt from the following pretty good lyme website:
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http://www.healthfreedomsolutions.com/lymedisease.htm
As the neurotoxin migrates into the nucleus it turns on the gene group at the cytokine nuclear receptor, the neurotoxin begins to replicate itself and thus TNF alpha, IL-beta and IL6 are released.
As fat soluble neurotoxins move through the cells they get into the hepatic system and thus the body is poisoned continually. (The liver and gallbladder are significantly impaired and thus the detoxification and eliminations processes are adversely affected.
Slowly over time the neurotoxin levels rise increasing the presence of TNF alpha, IL-beta and IL6 and the body are slowly poisoned from the inside.
TNF alpha suppress myelin formation the fatty insulation layer of the nerve cells, competes with insulin at the cellular receptor sites, and causes HYPER coagulation of blood and thus restriction of blood flow.
There is clinical evidence to indicate that other types of exposure to toxins such as mycotoxins, algae toxins and other chemical toxins also affect the immune system in the way as Bb endotoxins.
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There are a number of things I do for it:
nattokinase, serraflazyme, and MOST importantly lumbrokinase
Zhang's AI#3
standardized curcumin and turmeric (even juice it often)
tons of enzymes, including fresh cultured veggies and homemade goatmilk yogurt.
enzyme supps, including bromolein and other digestive enzymes
Note that systemic inflammation is a bedfellow with hypercoaguability in lyme.
dpd,
That's quite an interesting article! I can just picture the toxins building up and the sluggish system. It's a vicous circle. This Lyme sure affects everything!
One supplement that I started taking in the last month is fish oil. I've seen a dramatic difference when they do a blood draw while I'm on fish oil compared to before when I wasn't taking fish oil. Somewhere I read that fish oil thins the blood. I'm not sure of the exact mechanism, though.
Pace
Hi Pace,
Glad to hear you are alittle better. Surgery is never easy to get over and when you have lyme and candida it is even harder.
I guess each of us with long term lyme are doing different things and some of us are having good results with our protocal. You just have to find a program that works for you.
For me it was the salt/C protocal. It is a year and a half and I do feel better. However this last winter I had giant cell thyroiditis and Fe anemia. That put me down for 6 to 8 months. So I am just getting over that. But the lyme has been good. Now I am working on the candida. I am taking the candex that they recommend for the salt/ C and it is working. So slowly I am feeling better.
I hope you can find something that will help you other than antibiotics.
Good luck!
Rue
Hi Rue,
Good to hear you are making a comeback after the Giant Cell Thyroiditis & the Fe anemia.
I did get a big herx from the Salt/C when I tried it once.
Did you ever go on antibiotics to treat the Lyme???
you wrote:
>>Now I am working on the candida. I am taking the candex that they recommend for the salt/ C and it is working. So slowly I am feeling better<<
I don't understand who recommends the candex for the salt/C & why do you need to take it. Does it help the Salt/C?
Thanks Rue!
Hang in there. See my 10/23 post "Re:another option for people" for 2 books that give valuable immune system support techniques that might be able to give your body support. The techniques to not require any physical strength and can be done by someone in a weak condition.
I am getting over a grueling ordeal with multiple intestinal overgrowth issues that, while not as serious as what you are going through, made me feel like I was dying 6 months ago. You can beat this. Don't give up.
