Sea Salt & Die-Off

I have been taking some sea salt baths. The die-off I have been experiencing has been absolutely awful - far worse than any antifungal I have ever tried. I can barely walk, depression, fatgiue etc etc. I was just taking the baths as a way of trying to soothe...I did not realise that sea salt would cause die-off. Can anyone explain this reaction...is sea salt an antifungal? I cannot find any reference to sea salt being antifungal. Thanks
Amanda


When I had Candida, vitamin C used to make me very tired. Testing revealed that I was allergic to synthetic Vitmin C which is an isomer of the real McCoy. Nothing to do with die-off

Similarly hot baths with salt are very likely releasing toxins from the fatty tissue under your skin to cause neurological and liver related symptoms.

I can't why lying in a bath of salty water would kill Candida


what do you use now,ascorbic acid?


Now I'm free of the Candida I can take 1000mg/day synthetic C with no problem


Steve
This is highly possible in view of the fact that I now have an intensification of liver symptoms/elevated liver enzymes since taking those sea salt baths. I dont know if my reaction necessarily indicates Lyme Disease - the crawling sensations are the worrying symptoms but it is something I will have to read up on or consult. Many thanks
Amanda



Sea salt has a lot of minerals in it. I believe it may have iodine which kills pathogens and causes die-off. That could be it.


Do you have any other symptoms during and soon after the baths?


Yes - my muscles go really stiff. I then get terrific die-off, muscle aches, depression and an intensification of all my other symptoms. I dont get this severe die-off with antifungals.


Hey Amanda

How hot are the aths? Are you taking vitamin c as part of your regimen? Some of us here on the oard are taking vitamin c and salt to get at our lyme and it gives knarly die off. Salt alone usually does not. But heat can give die off so perhaps the salt with heat? I would routinely get die off from saunas or very hot aths.

Also I do think the c-salt works on candida ut much more slowly.. So I get die off from the lyme and yeast while on the protocol.

take care



I dont think I have Lyme. I was just doing the baths really just to soothe. Also I have been having some other really really distressing symptoms of late. I feel to have a crawling sensation on my skin with the appearance of very tiny red pin pricks. These tiny pin pricks and these horrible crawling sensations get worse after taking these sea salt baths. I have been really freaking out about this crawling. My animals have a mite that can be transmitted to humans but once the animals are treated the mites are supposed to be self-limiting on humans. I am scared that due to my weakened immune system and candida problems these mites could have taken a liking to my environment. The doctor says he cannot treat me because the creams are soooo toxic but he doesnt believe that an animal mite can live off me anyhow. Once again these sea salt baths make those symptoms worse too. I just feel this is one symptom too many and I am REALLY having trouble coping with this!
Amanda


Try not to get too alarmed, but what you describe is identical to what many salt/c folks experience from lyme dieoff.

Note that the vast majority of lyme patients don't have a clue that they have it. Note also that most tests are worthless. I knew in 2000 that many of my symptoms pointed to lyme, but I was tested using the state of the art at the time - PCR - and I came back negative. I subsequently went the following 4 years believing I was lyme free until finding out that those tests had less than a 40% percent chance of a hit... my llmd now tells me that he believes it's less than 10%.

I could have saved myself years of suffering if had the proper information in 2000.

There is a good model developing for treating lyme, and salt/c is a critical component of that model. The folks who have had bad experiences with salt/c ALWAYS have two things in common in my experience. They ramp up too quickly and/or they don't give the protocol sufficient time. You can go a long way at self dx'ing here by using the proper salt/c technique, which is easy and inexpensive.

I'll be happy to help as much as I can if you need it. I going through all this myself and making progress. I thank god for the day I finally realized I likely had lyme... this was a blessing, as it began my road to recovery.


Would Lyme give you this crawling sensation I describe and the red pin prick marks on my skin? Also is Lyme picked up from animals? I didnt think it was something that was in the UK but I apolgise I am so ignorant regarding Lyme. Any further information is much appreciated
Amanda


Yes lyme is in Europe, esp UK and Germany, and Southern Netherlands.

I also agree with dpd, it is much etter to know of something like lyme or heavy metals than just thinking something is candida. Otherwise you are only going to get partially etter.

While I have known that I had lyme for awhile, I did not know I had heavy metals until recently. This has explained a lot and changed a lot of my treatments. If folks don't get etter after 6 months to 1 year on a strict candida regimen, they have other stuff going on and it is important to try to figure it out to get the right therapies.

Some folks here are also using the Marshall Protocol for lyme, like PaulUK, which is promising too. Since he is in the UK, he may e ale to give you some leads for doctors that diagnose and treat lyme.

Thanks both of you for all the info. I still find it hard to believe that my own domestic animals can have given me something like this - its incredible. I have had candida for years and years and these new symptoms have only just appeared in the last three weeks since my dogs and cat got cheyletiella mites. Can these mites be carriers of Lyme? How do you cope with the crawling sensations? I really feel like I am going mad. Its sooo distressing. The red pin prick marks are very tiny - almost microscopic. Does that tie in with the marks you are describing or do they tend to be bigger than that? So sorry for all these questions but I am trying hard to get to the bottom of it all.


>> Thanks both of you for all the info. I still find it hard to believe that my own domestic animals can have given me something like this - its incredible.

If you're immune system is suppressed, such as in the case of heavy metal toxicity and/or lyme, you'll catch infections of any sort from probably any animal or other person.

>> I have had candida for years and years and these new symptoms have only just appeared in the last three weeks since my dogs and cat got cheyletiella mites. Can these mites be carriers of Lyme?

It could very well be that your red spots are due to the mites. Noone really knows actually exactly what causes them in lyme patients... perhaps it's a number of possibilities, and NOT all lyme patients get them.

>> How do you cope with the crawling sensations? I really feel like I am going mad. Its sooo distressing.

If you stick with the salt/c, eventually the sensations go away.

>> The red pin prick marks are very tiny - almost microscopic. Does that tie in with the marks you are describing or do they tend to be bigger than that? So sorry for all these questions but I am trying hard to get to the bottom of it all.

If I were you I'd try salt/c for a while.... but PLEASE, go very slow, and stick to the program for at least a few months to see how things progress. Use proper salt, i.e. NOT the crap sold as table salt, and use a good quality, pure, vitamin C.


Amanda

yes, the pinprick sensation is like one of the most common symptoms descried y folks on the lyme group dedicated to c-salt:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/

If you get no die-off from AF you may want to try a low dose of c-salt to see if you get die off from that... And it may indicate lyme.

It looks like dpd has you covered on this so I will let him do the explaining ut if you have any questions to let me know. I have een treating lyme since 1999 though I think c-salt is the first treatment that is working withouth major side effects..

take care



>> Would Lyme give you this crawling sensation I describe and the red pin prick marks on my skin?

YES, YES, YES... if you search my posts here you'll find numerous references to red pin pricks I developed the first few months on salt/c. If you search the lymestrategies email list - which is AN ABSOLUTE MUST FOR YOU KNOW IN MY OPINION -
Also is Lyme picked up from animals? I didnt think it was something that was in the UK but I apolgise I am so ignorant regarding Lyme. Any further information is much appreciated Amanda





>> Would Lyme give you this crawling sensation I describe and the red pin prick marks on my skin?

YES, YES, YES... if you search my posts here you'll find numerous references to the red pin pricks I developed the first few months on salt/c. If you search the lymestrategies email list - which is AN ABSOLUTE MUST FOR YOU KNOW IN MY OPINION - you find that a crawling sensation along the skin is perhaps THE MOST COMMON initial response to salt/c.

>> Also is Lyme picked up from animals?

Lyme-space if FULL of examples of entire families with lyme. It's clear... in fact I've seen 4 doctors for lyme, and all agree that lyme is sexually transmissible. Also, numerous reports, including a news report from an Austin, TX station suggests lyme can be transmitted from mosquitos and biting flies, as well as the commonly reported vector, ticks.

Lyme/babesia is all over Europe. PaulUK who posts here has it.

>> I didnt think it was something that was in the UK but I apolgise I am so ignorant regarding Lyme.

Don't apologize!! We're all ignorant about lyme as proper information is not being adequately disseminated.

>> Any further information is much appreciated Amanda

There is a TON of information available. I'd first note that candida overgrowth is one of the most common co-conditions with lyme, so your research to now has not been off-target. However, you will NEVER overcome candida overgrowth until the lyme is under control.

The big components to treating lyme appear to include the following:

1) Attacking a multitude of parasites with a multitude of antimicrobial modalities that don't significantly harm normal flora, AND, remineralization. This first step is where Kevin's advice was so essential.

Borrelia is the spirochete bacteria fundamental to lyme disease. Note that it appears borrelia can infect a vast array of organisms, including people, worms, single cell parasites, white blood cells, other human cells, etc. Borrelia also suppresses the autonomic nervous system, including components responsible for both heavy metal detox and immune function.

Thus, lyme patients succumb to numerous parasitic infections, including any number of worms, giardia, candida, protozoan infections including the VERY COMMON babesia. To make matters worse, borrelia subsequently infects many of these coinfections. So treating with antibiotics alone is often a lost cause because the worms for instance keep seeding your body with borrelia, even if the abx killed off most of the borrelia outside of the coinfections, which in itself is highly unlikely.

Thus, you need to continuously treat the borrelia during this first step, but you also need to kill off the parasites that are continuously seeding you with borrelia.

The final two steps are

2) Neurotoxin detox

3) Suppressing sensitivities... i.e. normalizing immune function.


I was thinking that it might be helpful to amanda if some web sites that both of you have found to be the best could be posted. I will look at my information and post some to her also. I give my son the real salt to use with C. I have used a small amount to but I cant ever tell if the symptoms are die off or something negative. I am wondering if epsom salts might be a better choice for amanda in terms of detoxying with baths. Is there a particular drink or supplement for helping eliminate neurotoxins from the system after one has finished antibioitics? MY son did a parasite cleanse during the first part of his treatment with antibiotics. I cant tell if it helped him or not.


liz

i asically use one site as a guide:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/

There are over 500 folks doing this protocol and a lot of good information is shared.

There is a link section on the site which has some of the more interesting stuff and keeps on growing:

http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/lymestrategies/links
As per detox, I am now using Sam-e, TMG (the precursor to Sam-e) and lipo gluaithone, along with chlorella to help with the detox. I have done a series of coffee enemas and will do the liver flush after this weekend.

These have helped a lot. I have just started experimenting with entonite clay ut it is too early to say anything definitive.

I am now up to 7 grams of c-salt and I used to react very strongly to 1 gram so there has een some progress. I am not looking forward to the later stages. But all in all I am glad I can function in a day to day asis ut it has required a lot of liver help..

Thanks to all for the advice. There is alot of new information for me to take in along with the web sites to check into. Its going to take me a while to plough through all this and find a good starting point. It sounds like the sea salt baths were a good thing but perhaps just a little too strong for me. Maybe I should not soak for as long and not put quite so much in the bath. No doubt there will be more information on the web sites. I have been suffering for weeks not daring to mention these awful sensations for fear of being disbelieved or even worse people not wanting to speak to me (I have found it best not mention these sensations to people - you can physically see them begin to back away from you). I am so glad I posted - It is a relief to know I am not alone with this.
Amanda


I seem to react to sea salt (on my food) but not ordinary table salt...not sure why. I am also trying to find out if Vitamin C can cause die-off as it makes me feel very tired as well.


I think Vitamin C can help glutathione levels. That could explain your detox reaction. I do eat sea salt on my food but those baths really are strong.
Amanda



Do increased glutathione levels cause detoxification?


Probably. Giving the body any nutrient that helps it should make it want to kick out toxins. Hope you're feeling okay. (( ))