EFT

Hey,

Just noticed you mentioned EFT in one of your posts. Have you been doing any of this?

I wanted to talk to you more about china and energy med (if you wouldnt mind).... just been trying to gather my thoughts.

Glad to see you are still doing well.

shari

Shari-

I did quite a bit of EFT a few months back with my kinesiolgist. I think it is very effective in clearing away underlying (subconscious even) emotional issues that can hold you back. We did something really interesting, used a book called "feelings burried alive never die", which links certain emotions and thought processes with specific disease states. I would read a statement from the book, something like "i want to get well", and my doc would muscle test whether my body/conscious agreed or disagreed... on that particular question, it came back negative. we worked with the eft, then tried again.... with a positive result. I was amazed at some of the bizzaro negative feeling I had hidden towards myself, my job, people around me... things I didn't even realize. once I figured out what they were, we used EFT to clear them out. it felt great.... so yes, i think its a great tool. I stopped because I started homeopathy, and didn't want to confuse results. homeopathy and EFT are both energy treatments and I wasn't sure if the EFT would interfere. but, i do plan to use EFT throughout my life. it is even more effective when combined with a book like "feelings burried" and muscle testing to hone in on your particular issues. I don't think its as effective to do EFT for very general topics... not that it can't work on physical disease, but that Ithink its more effective if you can target the emotions or blocks that are interfering with your body's physical health.

I love to discuss energy medicine, I think it is the ultimate health treatment. My new homeopathy doc is actually an MD. I never thought I would go back to an MD, but he is different, he understands what most docs simply don't get, that the body is more energy than matter. Einstein knew this, but, modern medicine largely misses the point.

John g
I saw your message, but it appears to have disappeared? Its good to hear that EFT helped you too. Thanks for supporting everyone with all your work on this forum.

John g
Thanks John,

Yes I had posted.

When I first started the forum I was of course a regular. :0) As more people started visiting I became very busy maintaining the forum with my meager programming skills. After that I seldom posted and as there became more knowledgable people I gradually stopped posting. I also learned something, mostly from other forums. It is not always a good idea to post to your own site. I think my main reasoning here is that the webmaster or moderator has to be very careful what they say. If someone does not like how you come accross it can disturb the whole forum because people feel that the webmaster and website are one, more or less. I feel that I have a responsibility as webmaster to do the best that I can so I just listen. I do like being webmaster. It is a challenge but I can be creative and hopefully my effort will help others.

I laughed when I saw your post. You are quick. It was only up about 2 minutes! I saw your pervious post about EFT when I was archiving the old forum then I found your recent post too interesting to resist. However I rethought and removed the post. I have studied some interesting therapies and have experience with EFT on the giving and receiving end. It's one of the best tools that I know of for the therapist including self therapy.
Rainmaster-

you are a wiser man than I, but hopefully I'm working on it. I agree with you very much on EFT, a powerful tool, esp when used in solid overall approach to rebuild body mind and soul. For me, the muscle testing confirmed how well it worked, as the results can often be subtle to the conscious mind.

Thanks again,
John
I enjoy all of your posts. You are wise. You care enough to find the truth and that can only bring wisdom.

Something I learned with Hypnosis that may be of concern when performing or using EFT. It's called "creep". This is a situation where someone is "cured" then refuses to recognise that there was an affliction in the first place. Hypnotherapists know to get paid in advance! :0) My take on this is that after therapy removes the emochemical reference (cured) there is indeed no reference. The patient or client cannot re-live the situation properly in their mind, so accompanying symptoms soon recede, eg. the domino effect. I think for self therapy it is important to keep track of progress if one will be continuing to a higher level, so to speak. The more "cured" you become the more of your old self you loose. The analytical mind I think needs these references to "move through" temporary confusion from absence of old-self dogma. Since analizing is really comparing and making choices based on past experiences, we may come up short and even back-slide. I think this is why some people that quit smoking want to take it up again. It may seem to be the only way to gain the emotional experience that is wanted. Another reason to move ahead while you can and a very good reason for the "drill down" technique that I think you mentioned in your previous post.
yes, some very important points you have raised, ones that I don't think can be understood unless you have first looked deeply inside yourself (for a long time), and work through them. That is, only after you have faced and resolved them. not to get to philosphical as this is probably not the place, but life is a series of challenges, be it health or something else. there is always something more to learn.

Thanks,
John g
Very true and well said. Thanks for the support John!
Thanks john, interesting post.

Ita, energy med is the bomb :) It saved my life and has bettered it in so many ways. I will also be dedicated for life.

I actually tried eft about four years ago (at dpd's suggestion), so know how powerful it can be. In fact I was so weak at the time that it overwhelmed my system (believe it or not). So I switched to tat and hypnosis, which are a bit more gentle. But I may pick it up again just to round out my bag of tricks.

I totally hear ya.. i hadn't thought of myself either as someone with 'negative baggage' or whatever. But it pays to be humble and recognize that life's traumas do get stored and take up precious resources for healing. Isn't it wild to dump this 'hidden' crap and literally feel stronger and more at peace?

Interesting that you found a good MD for homeopathy. I think I may have a couple in my area.

So what are your 'healing crises' like - if any? Do you think it makes sense to open up the cleansing pathways first with flushing methods - or with homeopathics - before embarking on the consitutional remedy thing?

thanks, shari
Hi Kelly, I found your post here fascinating. Its so cool to learn that you are 'into' this stuff :-) I LOVE hypnosis... it brought me back from the dead, and helped me eliminate the worst food and environmental allergies imaginable. Powerful, intriguing, amazing stuff. Thanks for sharing, shari

Thanks Shari,

A while back I had thoughts of creating a seperate discussion just for hypnosis and other technical (psychological) therapies. I studied hypnosis for two years in Seattle but did not fully understand the utility of it until I worked with myself over the years. It helped me enormously. I learned much more later through two unconventional therapists who I became good friends with. I think hypnosis is difficult to understand from a "conventionaI" point of view and so sometimes gets a bad rap. Since it is applied to the "mind" it is a highly technical tool based on each individual's life methods. It is not a "one method fits all" application which is why (I think) it is not popular with western medicine. Not to say that it can't be applied to the physical aspect of healing as I have had some success with it. I would gladly offer any knowledge that I have regarding "mentally enhanced" therapies that I have experience with but that can be a very deep subject. I am not sure that it would fit here at the forum. Some of that info is mingled with philosophy and spirituality.

I think maybe that discussing "mental" therapies at length here at the forum may be disturbing
Shari-

Like I mentioned to Val above, I do think that a few years of cleansing/flushing really opened my body up so that treatments like homeopathy could be far more effective. I still strongly believe that liverflushing done properly is of major benefit to chronically ill people. Especially when done in conjunction with an overall holistic approach.

John
Thanks Kelly :-) I was wondering actually if you had any formal (or informal) study.

I would loove to talk about this stuff more at length here - a separate discussion space sounds great - but I hear what you are saying. Do you think it is better suited for email?

A few years ago I worked with an amazing and wonderful hypnotherapist

http://www.diveena.com/

Funny enough, when I first read her book some 6 years ago, I thought it was the most diappointing health book I had ever bought - a crock basically :) It went completely past me. I never would have imagined that the author would some day end up saving my life.

Since then, I have had amazing results with self hypnosis as well. So far I've mainly focused on allergies, but the benefits I feel have gone well beyond that.

I'm looking forward to trying out many other applications. I am convinced that hypnosis can make anything in life (seem) easier - and that the higher level of functioning / awareness one can achieve offers many exciting possiblities...

thanks john, makes sense to me...

i wonder if a homeopath would typically 'prescribe' detox remedies before a constitutional one.

i think that homeopathic detox is supposed to be more gentle than flushing, though i still want to flush - its something i have been wanting to do for about 6 years actually. sherry rogers (my idol) is a big proponent (and i do have a moritz book) :)

until recently though i was allergic to the ingredients :(

hope to start on them next year. need to work on my kidneys first i feel (they are clearly in sad shape) and make sure that enemas no longer send me into shock

anyway, thanks again! shari


shari-

take it slow and gentle, its better that way. re homeopathic detox... i really don't know too much about it. This use of potenized remedies would not the so called "classical" approach. in the classical approach, the homeopath would attempt to find a remedy that had the most of your particular symptoms (including the symptoms of candida overgrowth) within that remedy. it could be any number of remedies.

John g
My first experience with hypnosis was while studying Wing Chun under Sijo James DeMile. He used it a lot for training. I was impressed. I attended the Institute of Hypnotherapy and the Body-Mind Academy in Seattle. I took other courses at Body-Mind like Breathwork and NLP. After Body-Mind I worked with DeMile creating therapy tapes for his students.

Tapes are a good way to apply subliminal suggestion with yourself. One of the shortcomings of self-hypnosis is that you wander through alpha. A tape can take the place of a helper-practitioner which can keep you on track. Also something I found very interesting is that speaking to yourself is impressive to (your own) "sub-conscious". I never realized how much so until I started making tapes.
thanks john

oh that's right... strict classical homeopaths don't use those little remedies that address a condition and not the 'whole person'

perhaps there are some homeopaths who will do both. guess its something to consider if i pursue this

thanks for the slow detox tip. i've been thinking about what i could do to work up to the big flushes. will probably try some coffee enemas first. am also doing milk thistle and some chinese herbs, 'beet drinks' with lemon and olive oil, and 'mini flushes' a la sherry rogers (an ounce of lemon and olive oil each, and working your way up from there)

non-poster,

>>My first experience with hypnosis was while studying Wing Chun under Sijo James DeMile. He used it a lot for training. I was impressed. I attended the Institute of Hypnotherapy and the Body-Mind Academy in Seattle. I took other courses at Body-Mind like Breathwork and NLP. After Body-Mind I worked with DeMile creating therapy tapes for his students.

wowwww... so you're two degrees from bruce lee huh :)

this is all very cool and impressive to me. you must really know your stuff!

>>Tapes are a good way to apply subliminal suggestion with yourself. One of the shortcomings of self-hypnosis is that you wander through alpha. A tape can take the place of a helper-practitioner which can keep you on track.

actually, 'self hypnosis' for me has meant working on my own with tapes/cds made by hypnotherapists. i have considered making my own tapes, particularly because there are some very specific things i'd like to address... now you have me feeling psyched to do this

one way that i really benefited working directly with a therapist though was the ability to do regression work. my experiences were utterly fascinating and real and helpful

>> Also something I found very interesting is that speaking to yourself is very impressive to (your own) "sub-conscious". I never realized how much so until I started making tapes.

interesting. wonder if there's an element of trust

although i don't seem to recognize my own voice on answering machines....

>>If I keep posting like this I should take on an alias. :0)

i do hope we will get to hear more of your wisdom on this subject

i am thinking --> 'hypnomaster' ??? :-)
Thanks Shari,
I would like to hear how it goes if you make a tape for yourself. If you would like help let me know. If you would like to experiment with NLP or EFT I would be glad to tell about my experience with it.
hi kelly (aka non poster)

oh no.. another disappearing post. i liked that post :-)

sorry for my complicit role in your posting here. i liked your proposal fwiw

that is so nice of you to offer your help. i'd feel privileged!

to tell you the truth, what i have in mind for a tape right now isn't directly health related. don't know if you would still be interested or comfortable...

basically, i spend most of my days now trading the stock market. with so much psychology involved, i think hypnosis could be incredibly helpful.

i would love to have a tape to psych myself up each morning, reduce stress, increase my mental agility and acuity, release stored negative tension from bad trades, reinforce psychologically my successes, better cope with the market's irrationality, get comfortable and adept with the finer points of technical analysis, and increase my confidence to buck the trend and execute on what i think i see (or foresee). there are also specific scenarios that i would like to train my mind to recognize and reflexively act on. i suppose i might need multiple tapes (or tracks) for all of this ....

sorry if i've bored you to tears with this stuff (like my husband) :) and sorries for veering a bit ot here. i would totally understand if wanted to pass on this one

regardless, i appreciate the general offer ....shari

Hi Shari,

Helping is no problem, it all is health related, the stress, concentration
and anxiety. For those who didn't see the post I was going on about
opening another discussion for hypnosis and other neuro-therapies.
Anyone interested please respond.

My power just went out so have to go. A big snow storm here
today and last week a big windstorm took out power for 3 days.

thanks kelly. i'm in no rush with this btw - obviously its going to take some thinking. good luck with that storm....