Zang Herb Question

I'd like to get back on the Zhang herbs. I only did them for 3 months about a year ago. I believe I was doing Coptis, HH, Circulation P, and Artemesiae. I stopped Allicin after the first month because in my profession I'm constantly meeting people and they would comment on the garlic odor.

Well, doing all 4 of those can get rather expensive. What would you say are the most important? I'm also doing salt/C, am on Cortef for adrenal fatigue, and a very small dose (.25 grain) of Nature-throid.


Hi Rob,

>> I'd like to get back on the Zhang herbs. I only did them for 3 months about a year ago. I believe I was doing Coptis, HH, Circulation P, and Artemesiae. I stopped Allicin after the first month because in my profession I'm constantly meeting people and they would comment on the garlic odor.

One immediate observation. Lyme requires a well considered, deliberate, LONG ( :( ) and dilligent program to overcome. You will never be able to beat it using a patchwork of herbs and the like. You need to constantly beat down the borrelia load, day after day, as long as it takes, with as little pause as possible.

First, consider the fact that borrelia takes on various forms... i.e. it's highly pleomorphic. Please see my post below about this for more info. Basically, you need to fight back the spirochete form, the cyst form, and the cell wall deficient form. Further, it seems that if you treat one form, borrelia will start to transition to other forms... this makes things very difficult. You also need to address the inflammatory issues that borreliosis leads to.

You also need to fight back a million other potential infections, as borrelia is one of the most immuno-suppressive agents known (see references (1) and (2) below). Thus, in general I don't think zhang's herbs are enough to fight back the entire complex of potential infections involved. I do think they are helpful though. Certainly the anti-inflammation herbs make a lot of sense, as do his form of artemisinin AND his allicin and perhaps his coptis. I personally didn't get much effect from HH, and have spoken to a person who has. Doesn't mean they aren't out there though.

Finally, you need to realize that many of these potential coinfections can themselves be carriers of the lyme related bugs, including borrelia. Dr. Klinghardt confirmed yesterday that a specimen I showed him was a liver fluke. I've been passing hundreds of these guys off and on the past few months. He also confirmed that these flukes should be presumed as HUGE carriers of infectious agents including borrelia, not to mention they have their own pathogenic properties. The important thing to note here is that you need to track down and treat many coinfections EARLY in this process, as some are constantly seeding you with borrelia and other potential agents.

>> Well, doing all 4 of those can get rather expensive. What would you say are the most important? I'm also doing salt/C, am on Cortef for adrenal fatigue, and a very small dose (.25 grain) of Nature-throid. The BASEBONE of my program is salt/C/niacin(to flush). In fact, ramping my s/c dramatically last may initiated my release of flukes and associated tarry noxious smelling sludge. Klinghardt certainly recommends s/c as an early course of action for BOTH borrelia and coinfection such as worms (3). Note that I use more salt/c than Dr. K prescribes. I'd like to use at least 1 g for every 10 pounds of body weight, although many folks can't bowel tolerate that much C, including myself. I take 7.5-9 g of C, and I weigh 158 pounds. Salt/C is so insanely important for lyme in my opinion, although I doubt it is sufficient to cure severe lyme by itself.

Niacin potentiates the salt/c, presumably in part by dilating the blood vessels, thus providing greater access to well hidden borrelia organisms. Klinghardt believes niacin is anti-borrelia (5).

Affordable broad spectrum "bio-shield" components which are a must to consider are salt/C, garlic, Olive Leaf Extract (I like Sea Gate brand VERY MUCH), colloidal silver nasal sprays (I like argentyn 23 brand found at http://needs.com), and Beck blood electrification (~$70). Most if not ALL are effective against borrelia, viruses, fungi, numerous parasites including giardia, various pathogenic bacteria, and I believe babesia to a limited degree. Further, my personal experience tells me this combination does NOT significantly harm normal flora. I love viewing this combo as a bioshield, given the vast array of bugs they address. I'm taking 2 caps OLE 4x daily, 1 cap 2x daily of Zhangs allicin, 1 cap biopure garlic 3x daily, and 2 sprays 3x daily of argentyn 23. I guess you take as much garlic as possible without becoming offensive if necessary.

Regarding borrelia, I like the nutrimedix products. http://www.nutramedix.net/index.shtml
In theory these could be combined with coptis (Zhang, http://sensiblehealth.com/), but I get severe heart pain/palps from coptis so be carefull. Here's the theory behind this combo.

Nutrimedix samento/cumanda combination therapy can be used to treat the spirochete.
http://www.samento.com.ec/sciencelib/4lyme/Lymeprotocolkinesiology3.htm
Klinghardt further believes Nutrimedix Noni treats intracellular (cell wall deficient) forms, although it takes a LONG time. (4) Finally, two of my doctors believe that coptis is a cyst-buster (treats lyme cysts) given how symptoms that arise are so similar to other known cyst busters available.
Thus samento/cumanda combination therapy, noni, and coptis might very well treat all three major forms of borrelia simultaneously. Further the bioshield discussed above treats borrelia as well.

Note though that rifing/magnetic pulsing might prove to be highly recommended as the rifing community generally believes that it treats the spirochete WITHOUT forcing the organism into the other forms. Doug Coils probably work here, and are apparently in the $500 dollar zone. Other rife/mag pulsing technologies can get VERY pricey unfortunately.

I do wish there was more discussion here about mineral/ph support. I think this is critical to lyme. I think we should all be taking magnesium to BOWEL TOLERANCE. Also, potassium and calcium should be added to salt/c. I like very much the potassium gerson salts, as they are specifically designed to increase intracellular ph, a presumed big problem for lyme patients. The salts are affordable and available here.

http://www.road-to-health.com/am/publish/article_119.shtml

I also have had very good luck with rubidium, taken in small amounts. It apparently raises ph as well as increases the rate of flow of potassium into cells. I can't find my reference on that atm. All the trace minerals are also important. Klinghardt agrees! (6)

As you can tell, I highly like Dr. K's paper on this subject. Please read it.... 10 times if necessary to get the big picture.

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(1) Bb is one of the most immuno-suppressive infectious agent, affecting cellular immunity, humoral immunity, and natural killer (NK) cell population.24, 25

http://www.townsendletter.com/FebMar2006/lyme0206.htm

(Thanks B for this link!)

(2) The 3 Components of Lyme disease
Lyme disease has three components, which should be recognized and
addressed with treatment:
Component #1: The presence of spirochete infection and co-infections
The co-infections are bacterial, viral, fungal and parasitic. Since the
spirochetes paralyze multiple aspects of the immune system, the organism is
without defenses against many microbes. Many - if not most - of the coinfections
are really a consequence of the spirochete infection and not truly a
simultaneously occurring co-infection.

http://neuraltherapy.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdf

(3) Sequencing
There is an inherent order in which the microbes should be treated. If the
order is correct, gentle methods work. Treatment should always combine
electromagnetic interventions, using specific microbial inhibition
frequencies (KMT technology) with the appropriate herb, antibiotic or other
antimicrobial strategy. It should also always be combined with a toxin
elimination program, good psychotherapy and general life style hygiene.
The Lyme ABC
A. We start with deworming our clients. We often use a simple yet
aggressive seasalt/Vit C protocol (19) which has an independent effect
against the spirochetes also. The high salt concentration kills large parasites
by osmotically induced dehydration (osmotic shock). High salt levels also
increase the enzyme elastase which has a strong antimicrobial/antispirochete
effect (4).
Protocol: 1.5 grams of sea salt per 20 lbs of body weight in 4 divided doses
per day for 3 weeks. With each dose also give 1-4 gms of Vit C (dose has to
be just below bowel tolerance). Three 3-6-week cycles with a 2 week break
in-between. The blood pressure should be monitored and not elevate outside
acceptable levels. Five percent of the population are salt sensitive and react
with a significantly increased blood pressure. In the off weeks we give tsp
of sea salt in a glass of water first thing in the morning.

http://neuraltherapy.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdf

(4) 2. PC-Noni
(a concentrated energy-enhanced extract of Noni where the ingredients are
made bio-available with a unique proprietary process)
It is in our experience the most reliable remedy to treat and eliminate
intracellular microbes over time. This process is slow (months) and very
rewarding. Several German practitioners have found this amazing property
mostly with darkfield microscopy. I am not aware of unbiased published
studies to confirm this. However, it is consistent with our ART findings and
clinical observation.
Dosage: start with 6 drops twice daily and increase to a total of 3 dropper
full/day for 1 year.
I suggest the each person makes a 1 liter glass bottle of filtered water in the
morning and add the herbs for the day one by one into the bottle. Since PC
Samento and PC Noni are also carriers for sophisticated anti-Lyme
frequencies, the bottle should be sucussed 50 times after introducing PC
Samento and again after introducing PC Noni. If other herbs are added to the
bottle both should be added last. The content should then be taken
throughout the day and used up by bedtime. It is best to take our herbs away
from food. PC Samento has to be activated by acid. Either add the daily dose
of Rechtsregulat (acidic ph) into the bottle or take on empty stomach, when
stomach-ph is low.

http://neuraltherapy.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdf

(5) For the psychiatric presentations of Lyme disease I use large doses of
Niacin. (Niacinamide and no-flush Niacin do not work.) 3-6 gms in 3-4
divided doses often show amazing results. It appears that Niacin has
tremendous antibiotic potential against all types of Borrelia (12). I suspect
that our mentor and genius in orthomolecular psychiatry, Abraham Hoffer,
MD discovered a treatment for Bb long before Lyme-disease was known.

http://neuraltherapy.com/LymeALookBeyond6.pdf

(6) The Mineral Issue
To feed, fuel and perk up the cells of the immune system (especially NK
cells and macrophages) numerous interventions have been attempted, mostly
based on orthomolecular and herbal medicine principles. We found that
amongst those approaches, abundant mineral substitution based on the red
cell mineral analysis is most rewarding. Rarely should medical drugs be
used.
Amazingly, the most depleted minerals in our Lyme patients are often
copper, magnesium, manganese (in Lyme) and iron (in Babesiosis). Bb and
Bartonella need magnesium to duplicate and deplete the hosts body rapidly.
Copper and iron have all but disappeared from most of our supplements
based on faulty interpretation of hair analysis. The immune system uses
those two metals in the process of phagocytosis. They are the main
constituent of the enzymes (or bullets) the immune cells use in the battle
against the invaders.
Oxidized used-up iron and copper get displaced into the extracellular
compartment and body fluids and appears in the hair and skin, as the bodys
most efficient way of excreting toxins without hurting the kidneys. This has
led to the dangerous and in its consequence catastrophic assumption, that
these metals are the enemy and need to be restricted. It is true, that oxidized
metals pose a danger and have to be reduced (=substitution of electrons) or
eliminated. However, when copper and iron are needed and substituted
appropriately, major improvements have been observed. Appropriate
antioxidant treatment can reduce these metals. Homeopathic copper and iron
will lead to beneficial redistribution of these metals and makes them bioavailable
again.
Lithium-orotate or aspartate in low doses (15 mg/day) has been shown to
protect CNS structures from neurotoxin damage. Patients almost always
benefit clinically from frequent treatment with parenteral magnesium. It is
most meaningfully given in a modified Meyers cocktail. We also use a 5:2
ratio of folic acid (not folinic) and hydroxycobolamine (not methyl- or
cyano-) sublingually several times/day. In addition methyl-cobolamine is
given i.m. twice weekly and is important in the methylation/restoration of
reduced glutathione. Hydroxy-B12 protects the brain from nitric oxide
induced damage.
Many Lyme patients suffer from Pyrroluria, a metabolic illness where
abnormal porphyrins carry out significant amounts of needed zinc and
vitamin B6. Diagnosis is made with the appropriate test at the Pfeiffer
institute in Chicago. Even though it is assumed that this illness is hereditary
I have my doubts, since most Lyme sufferers have a degree of it. I suspect
that the appearance of kryptopyrroles in the urine is induced by the illness.
However, I am careful with excessive substitution of zinc. Zinc has a
synergistic effect with mercury in the brain and also promotes the growth of
the herpes viruses.
If clients show abnormal high losses of sex steroid hormones in the urine,
the patient may be cobalt deficient. The urine hormone test and cobalt drops
are available at the Tahoma Clinic Renton, WA. For a while selenium
should be given in high doses to suppress viral replication and render
bioavailable mercury non-reactive.
The element most critical in the Lyme patient however is iodine. A two inch
square of Lugols iodine is painted on the patients skin and should remain
visible for 24 hours. The sooner it is absorbed the more deficient the patient.
An oral form of Lugols is available under the name Iodoral (Optimox,
Torrance, Ca).
Filling up the bodys mineral reserves has always been the most essential
part of our heavy metal detox program. It is also the most essential part of
our Lyme treatment.


Excellent response! I take your word very highly and will follow your suggestions.


Good Luck Rob!


Ro

What dose of c-salt are you on?

I was up to 8 grams ut now am ack on artemisinin so I take only 4-5 grams of c-salt a day. Hard to keep them apart.

I am going to go on Samento and Coptis after I am finished with anothe round of artemisinin.