Candida

Hi !
Just wondering, do people here believe that they will beat this candida problem? Will you be eating what you want and participating in life at full steam? I believe i will, do you feel confident about beating your problems? if not why and if so why?

Just interested!

Take Care


Peter, it all depends on what stage you are in, stage one and two and you chances of 100% recovery are good, late stage three and four and it is doubtful in my opinion that you can make a 100% recovery.

If the candida mutates to the hyphae and gets into the lympy system it grows between the cells forming masses and roots, kill the candida and you kill the host, this is the reason there has been no effective pharmaceutical for severe systemic infection.


Tom, I agree with you. I let my candida problem get way out of control. I don't ever expect to be %100 healed.


hi Tom,
how do you know what stage your in, and if the candida has mutated? Everytime I have a test lately it's not showing up in tests but I'm chronically ill with unbearable extreme symptoms.. When I was first diagnosed with candida I was a +2 on the titer score for the blood test but it never said anything about it mutating and having different stages.. I'd like to figure out where I'm at because my body doesn't seem to be responding to any treatments I try, and I never get any relief from my symptoms...
Thanks, Kristin


Kristin, I've been searching, learning and experimenting since about 1987 with this, its been a slow process and with brain drag to boot it hasn't been easy. I have spent thousands of dollars on supplements, if there was a hint it might help I bought it, over 2000 for Olive Leaf extract alone but most of it was just tuition in the school of experience. I saw some small improvements over the years, especially with the h2o2 but I didn't see any significant improvement until I did the Liver cleanses, this procedure will wash out the bowels and Liver function will improve. This is the basics in my opinion to overcoming candida overgrowth, cleanse, cleanse and keep on cleansing, replant, replant and keep on replanting the good bacteria, it takes a long time to displace candida once it gets a foothold and get the beneficial bacteria re-established and colonized. When the gut is back in order you will see great improvement but for the Hyphae that has spread to other parts of the body the only defense we have is the immune system. I have serious problems with the Hyphae and have seen some improvement but for total elimination, I'm not sure its going to happen, the only thing I know to do is keep hammering away and learning and hope for the best. I do believe that one of the best tools you can have is a PH meter, this will give you insight into what is going on and how hard it is to keep the PH in a healthy range. If your urine PH is below 6.4, it means acid is having to be removed from the blood and excreted through the kidneys, the more acid your urine the more the body is having to work to keep the blood in a narrow range (7.35-7.45). I have seen my body respond when I was able to keep my PH above 6.5, so I know personally there is something to this, although there is controversy about PH, there is no doubt in my mind that this is a good indicator of mineral reserves and overall state of health.---------------------------Here is the info on the different stages.-------

In the First Stage of Candida, the mucous membrane areas of the body may be infected. These include the mouth, vagina, nose, and Respiratory System. Besides vaginal infections, severe P.M.S., urinary tract infections, body rashes, acne, and oral thrush, ALLERGIES to foods, dust, molds, fungus, yeast, inhalants, and chemicals are the most common symptoms. Each day more people seem to be allergic to everything in their environment. Repeated bouts of bronchitis, sinusitis, tonsillitis, and strep or staph infections may be typical. Mononucleosis and pneumonia may also be noted. It is easy to perceive that each of these successive illnesses requires more and more antibiotics, which may open the door for further Candida overgrowth. Talk about a vicious circle!

The Second Stage of Candida may involve more generalized reactions such as PAIN, HEADACHES (including Migraine), EXTREME FATIGUE, PSORIASIS, INFECTIONS OF THE NAILS, MUSCLE ACHES, JOINT PAINS, AND ARTHRITIS. Naturally, drug after drug is usually taken in hopes of alleviating these miserable conditions. In most cases, the SYMPTOMS alone are being treated--while the CAUSE (Candida overgrowth) may be literally being PROMOTED at the same time!

The Third Stage of Candida may involve MENTAL and BEHAVIORAL RESPONSES: Inability to concentrate, not being able to read or follow a television program or carry on a hobby, serious forgetfulness, memory loss, mental confusion, not being able to think of the words to say something, switching around of words and letters when trying to speak and/or write something, loss of previous skills (such as how-to-type or how-to-play-the-piano, etc.) These frightening problems may often lead to "HOPELESS CRYING" SPELLS, SEVERE DEPRESSION, SLEEP DISORDERS (may include insomnia, confusion dreams, nightmares, apnea, and not feeling rested or restored after sleep), IRRATIONAL THOUGHTS, UNUSUAL FEARS, PHOBIAS, PANIC/ANXIETY ATTACKS, MUSCLE TWITCHING, IRRITABILITY, VIOLENCE, AGGRESSIVE BEHAVIOR, and even EPILEPTIC SEIZURES and THOUGHTS OF DEATH OR SUICIDE. Sometimes people with these symptoms are labeled "Mentally ill", thought to be suffering from manic-depressive Psychosis or Schizophrenia. These desperately sick patients are sometimes turned over to the care of a psychiatrist or hospitalized in a mental institution. They may be given antidepressants, tranquilizers, lithium, etc. to lighten the mental symptoms. . But the CAUSE may be overlooked and the patient is not CURED on a long-term basis.

A person in the Fourth Stage of Candida may experience a virtual SHUTDOWN OF VARIOUS ORGAN SYSTEMS of the body. For example, the adrenal glands may stop functioning when the Endocrine System fails, or the Digestive System may stop, producing vomiting or severe constipation. The extreme fatigue may escalate into TOTAL MUSCLE WEAKNESS, such as the neck muscles no longer being able to hold up the head. The body rashes may escalate into HIVES or BOILS. The Circulatory System may be swamped with so much yeast that the capillaries are clogged, causing HIGH BLOOD PRESSURE, NUMBNESS OF EXTREMITIES, and EASY BRUISING. The person may run a low-grade fever, but the hands and feet will often be very cold. The HEART may develop TACHYCARDIA (palpitations, irregular beats, mitral valve problems or heart murmur). In the Respiratory System, the alveoli (air sacs) of the lungs may be packed with yeast so that the person cannot get adequate breath for speaking, singing, or exercise; there may be a FEELING OF SUFFOCATION, which may lead to HYPERVENTILATION and PANIC. The complete failure of the Immune System leaves the body defenseless against all enemy bacteria, viruses, and disease conditions--including cancer.

The Fifth Stage of Candida seems inevitable at this point: rampant systemic Candidiasis is 100% fatal unless it is diagnosed early enough to kill the yeast overgrowth and regenerate the Immune System.


Where did you get this? I would like to print this but my computer won't do it.


Hi Tom,

In fact there are no effective pharmaceuticals for any microbial disease. All do is to support the immune system. A terminal stage AIDS patient is literally full of but to no avail. So you are correct in the sense that systemic Candida is not curable by pharmaceuticals alone. It is however curable by treating and supporting the immune system's full recovery. Candida cannot survive in anything other than a very limited presence in a human body protected by a competent immune system


After several years of low grade heavy metal related symptoms, followed by 4 years of full blown chronic fatigue I am now 100% recovered. I eat what I want, train 5 times a week, including treadmill and weights, without any symptoms. I have noticed that I can only take supplements for a few days at a time before they start to cause symptoms. I put this down to the fact that as long as my body needs the supplements its fine but as soon as I go into an overdose situation, I can feel the negative effects, which leads me to believe that in general, long term therapy with the same supplements is not the ideal treatment.

While liver health is extremely important and given that Candida toxins put a huge strain on the liver, I did no liver treatment at all in order to recover.

Candida is a symptom of an impaired immune system. For the past 50 years, people have been exposed to an increasing range of toxic chemicals and metals. If that exposure is chronic i.e constant low level then over years symptoms will gradually develop.

All it takes for a child or adult to get sick with Candida is constant low level exposure. A leaky filling will do it...or a bedroom carpet treated with a pesticide against moths ....or a piece of furniture whose varnish contains a fungicide, a workplace next to a printer or copy machine, a fluorescent light with leaky PCB (Polychlorinated bi-phenyl)containing ballast...you get the picture.

Back in the 60s, 70s and 80s most indoor wood treatments contained a pesticide of some sort. Almost all are now banned due to their high level toxicity and tendency to persist and bioaccumulate. If furniture or wood was treated, its still giving off toxic molecules today. If they happen to be in your immediate environment, you will gradually become poisoned. And once your immune system is zapped, you will become intolerant of other industrial chemicals and toxics. Candida will take advantage of the weakened immune system and multiply rapidly in the gut. Its toxins will, in turn make the situation worse. The liver will be under constant load and eventually its ability to continually detoxify the same chemicals day in, day out will become exhausted. The end result is chronic illness that eventually becomes completely independent of the original cause.
But break the cycle, remove the toxic exposure, allow the immune system to recover, kill the candida and rebuild the gut flora and hey presto... recovery.

I have only 1 remaining symptom. I feel incredibly well, but that changes AS SOON as my body encounters highly toxic substances like solvents or pesticides. I can only tolerate carpet or furniture stores for a short time before becoming light headed and feeling 'intoxicated'.

When looking for a new house, we visited over 30 properties. In more than 50% I responded very badly to the indoor environment! I know that if I lived in any of those houses, I would become unwell again in a very short time.


Yes! I am sure of it. However, while I do expect to be eating what I want to, that is NOT the same as eating junk, at least for me. What I want has changed through this experience. It seems ridiculous to spend all this time, aggravation, expense, etc just to go back to what was part of the original problem in the first place. I would have to be pretty lame to take all this health info, all this new understanding of what drives illness, and shuck it for a box of Ho-Ho's or a take out pizza. Not to say that an occasional treat won't be enjoyed, but I happen to LOVE salads now, TG, and plan to run with that. I don't want to have to go back to first grade for not having learned my lesson, ya know what I mean?


i've been functioning at about 25% of
capacity for the last 30 years - if i
could make it to 50%, i'd be thrilled


Peter-

just speaking for myself, my goal is to be healthier than I ever have been, that is to say, honestly healthy and happy. like must of us I was sickly since childhood.

with the exception of continued milk allergy, i put myself as normal now. I've been told that if i really want to clear the dairy allergy, my amalgams have to come out. have to think about that for awhile. otherwise, i am healther now than probably since early childhood.

just completed my finnish sauna and love it. i suspect that many people who have chronic health problems just have a harder time getting toxins out of the body, which slowly destroys your health. doing things to aid the body in getting toxins out, seems very beneficial, or at least was for me. the sauna for me will be a health maintenace aid, like occaisonal liver flushing, exercising, staying away from doctors and drugs both prescription and over the counter, and just trying to live a happy life. I would hope the same for everyone.


I agree 100% with the toxin theory. In fact, I will go you one better and suggest that if one has a well-functioning liver, one can probably get over candida by taking a few antifungals and probiotics, and go on their merry way. My conversations with my alternative doc indicates that, as he has said some of his patients recover quickly and easily with antifungals, but others end up on journeys similar to ours. Conducting mini experiments on myself has led me to determine that if the liver is not working properly, that is when things go awry, because if you are taking antifungals to destroy candida, you end up with waste by products (toxins) of the dying candida. If your liver cannot process them easily, they will build up in you. So, you remain toxic. Since candida thrives in a toxic environment, that inability of the liver to process the waste will cause candida to come in to try to clean up the toxins, so you end up in this toxic viscous circle where candida can never be truly elimintaed (actually rebalanced is a better word).


The same is true of metals and all other toxins. Many people can handle them to an extent. some cannot. Trying to get the liver going takes some real effort. Flushing is only part of it for me. it takes a real holisitic approach.

I hope you are doing well these days,

somehow always manage to get that screwed up. could be the two beers i've had after a long day of getting ready for a trial.

john g


Hi John,

Yes, definitely metals as well. Yup, yup, yup!

I agree as to wholistic approach being needed. I can't recall - at one point did you think flushing would be the sole answer? I have been thru that with other things, thinking, wow, this or that seems to be all that is needed, and then realizing that is not the case. But, I do think the liver is the main issue, at least for me. Are you saying that other methods besides flushing are necessary for total healing, or other methods are needed to heal the liver specifically (flushing plus other things)? Or both?

John g


Sans-

I don't think i ever suggested that liver flushing alone will cure someone's problems. I think its huge, but, certainly takes more lifestyle changes that that. Diet is huge, excercise, sleep... happiness. the right diet alone can help the body heal, but all these things work together.

liver flushing was a giant help for me in clearing candida. but, unless you change the factors that led the liver to get clogged up in the first place, you will eventually end up back in the same place.

john g


I agree 100% with the toxin theory. In fact, I will go you one better and suggest that if one has a well-functioning liver, one can probably get over candida by taking a few antifungals and probiotics, and go on their merry way. My conversations with my alternative doc indicates that, as he has said some of his patients recover quickly and easily with antifungals, but others end up on journeys similar to ours. Conducting mini experiments on myself has led me to determine that if the liver is not working properly, that is when things go awry, because if you are taking antifungals to destroy candida, you end up with waste by products (toxins) of the dying candida. If your liver cannot process them easily, they will build up in you. So, you remain toxic. Since candida thrives in a toxic environment, that inability of the liver to process the waste will cause candida to come in to try to clean up the toxins, so you end up in this toxic viscous circle where candida can never be truly elimintaed (actually rebalanced is a better word).