Alkaline Candida

after reading the post on magic bullet now lm confused..l thought to fight candida we are suppose to keep an alkaline gut to rid candida but after reading that post an acid stomach kills candida .. lm very confused has to how to have an acid stomach and an alkaline body can someone explain this to me? l try to eat things that will alkaline lots of veggies and greens lm l doing this all wrong?


Hi Teresa,

I assume you are referring to the post below stating that Hydrochloric Acid supplementation relieved symptoms?

There is a condition called Achlordria or Hypochlorhydria in which too little stomach HCL is secreted. When this happens, food is incompletely broken down in the stomach, Pesinogen is not properly activated and too little bile and pancreatic enzymes are secreted. The result is that food is incompletely broken down and cannot therefore be absorbed. The food remains in the gut where it putrifies and forms an ideally nutritious milieu for Candida Yeast and anaerobic bacteria. Supplementing HCL will increase its concentration in the stomach, ensuring that the correct enzymes are activated and/or secreted and assures that food is correctly broken down and absorbed, thereby alleviating symptoms


I know that low stomach acid is a weak link in my digestive system, but being so sensitive to drugs/supplements and some herbs, makes treating it v. diffic - I get gastritis (inflamm of stomach), so it's like a catch 22 situation. Digestive enzymes & HCL cause the pain - I manage wit amino acids to help protein digestion amongst a range of other products.
Any further advice would appreciated.
Ruthie


Teresa, there are different ph ranges along the entire digestive track, you want a very acid ph for digestion of food but the ph rises as food ash is dumped into the small intestine, some foods produce an acid ash and some alkaline, as this ash is processed by the small intestine and dilivered to the cells, an acid ash will produce acid fluids around the cell and alkaline ash will produce alkaline fluids, as the body reconizes acid it calls on the buffer systems and kidneys to eliminate it, this is why its so important to make sure you have a good supply of bicarbonates and alkaline minerals to neutralize the acids and the kidneys are healthy, if the body can not neutralize all the acid it is stored in fat cells, joints etc and if you don't have enough fat cells the body will produce them just to store the acid, also candida produces acid waste so its a double whammy for us and why its so important to take the minerals.

Tom,

I suggest you borrow a good Anatomy and Physiology textbook from the library and read about how the digestive system works. Protein, fat and carbohydrate metabolism as well as acid/base balance are all well described processes, non of which involve ash.


I am on this board because conventional thinking and conventional medicine was a complete failure and I've noticed that most of the Nautral way of doing things is counter to medical school teachings, if you want to read the medical books thats your business but don't push it on me and if you will do a little research you'll find some highly educated people who follow this line of thinking, it all goes back to "is it germs that cause disease or is it terrain". I am seeing real results from the alkalizing and don't need somebody telling me that its pseudoscience. I know everybody here appreciates you keeping them straight but maybe you would be happier on the quackwatch board.


Tom,

With respect, I think its more useful to take your observation that certain specific types of food helped alleviate your symptoms and use that to build a hypothesis, based on an excellent knowledge of how our digestive and acid/base systems work.

There's no rule to say that alternative medicine can't be built on good science and sound knowledge.

Making up pseudoscientific explanations to fit valid observations and experience is only going to help vested interest discredit alternative medicine.



thanks Tom. This is so overwhelming . l just dont know where to begin l almost killed myself 2yrs ago on the candida diet not knowing what l was doing. l was taken in no sugar even natural sugars ..little did l know that our bodies need some form of sugar to live .l know this is terrible to say but 4 the most part l pretend l dont have candida but my body lets me know different. l was granted disibility on my condition ..now that l cant work because of my chemical intolerance l have very little to live on and try to support a child its like l cant afford to get well cause all the supplements l need to treat myself are so costly. lm sure lm not the only one that cant afford to get well wish the goverment and doctors would see candida as a serious issue and make help affordable . l once called a probiotic company to see if they would work w/ me on thier product basically they laughed at me said if they did it for me they would have to do it 4 everyone. funny tho how they write on thier product how they wish everyone to have good health personally they just out to make the almighty buck.this is all so discouraging that lve basically just stop everything even the diet cause l can afford the products.. now l suffer daily w/ candida ..any advice is greatly welcome..


teresa, ive had that feeling for the past 10 years ;) you might have read from my recent posts, i have recently started making sauerkraut and it seems to be having a good detoxifying effect. its very cheap to make and its really helped me, especially with my oral candida, and i think its helped with my digestion aswell. i buy 5-6 heads of cabbages every week which cost about 4 pounds sterling (probably $6 u.s), slice them up and add some sea salt which again is very cheap, keep them submerged in water for about a week at room temperature, and thats it. transfer to jars and refridgerate.
the only hard part for me was finding good containers/glass jars to make it in, now ive got a food grade plastic alcohol fermenting container. getting the process right might take a few batches too, as the cabbage needs to be at cetain temperatures during the fermentation process, but that can be worked out pretty easily, it actually worked first time for me, so i just stick with that way. i heard someone on this board talking about how it was helping them and i thought i might aswell try it because i cant afford any expensive probiotic products either. the great thing is, it costs almost nothing and you can do it forever, you dont have to keep buying expensive probiotics. if you want to try making sauerkraut, you can leave me your email and ill email you the way i make it, or just google 'sauerkraut', all of the recipies are basically the same, slice the cabbage thinly, salt, compress and make sure the cabbage is away from the air (i cover with a salt brine), and leave for a week.

i know at first it seems like an odd thing to do, but its cheap and it works well for me :)


thanks steve l would be more than happy to learn what l can from you. here is my email l know its not a very professional id but l just use it for chat.. thank you for taking the time to share info w/ me personally..


Teresa-

cleansing can be done for very little money. Liver flushing, followed by deep water enemas, with an occaisonal coffee enema, with a good diet would probably help, and would not cost much money at all.


thanks john.. do u have the time to walk me threw a liver and kidney cleanse one that you have done what l need to buy and so forth.. l noticed on cure zone and other sites they are all different l have so many reactions to the detox things l want to be careful l hate the die off feels like lm having a heart attack l know now this is because l didnt have anything to help mop up the toxins and my body reabsorbed the toxins other times l have uncontrolable muscle jerks like a seizure


Teresa-

I am fond of the Andreas Moritz approach to liverflushing, he insists on a colonnic, or at the very least a few deep water enemas the day after the flush to get the toxins out.

His flush protocal is basically the clark protocal posted at the curezone site, except he does not want you to refrigerate the epsom salt mixture. His book "amazing liver cleanse" is very helpful on the details (which could fill dozens of pages here). I'm happy to discuss the details though, is there any particular area you are more concerned about?

John g


thanks john l sure will look into buying the book so l will have a step by step direction to follow you ppl are very helpful and understanding many thanks to everyone here..


just 1 more question lve seen on different sites controdicting each other which do l do 1st the liver or kidney? all the info. lve read on the net is different.. noone seems to agree. one site said liver 1st another said kidneys


Teresa-

Its probably best to do a little colon cleansing first, then a kideny cleanse, then start the liver flushing. If you don't get Andreas' books, this recipe is very similar, and is the easiest to do.

take some time, don't rush anything, and read up on it until you are comfortable. I'll be happy to answer any questions you might have as you get into it.

John


thank you john l sure will read on this b4 l try anything.. lve learned my lesson on that ..lol.. least l can laugh about it now.l sure dont want to invite any unpleastant reactions as l have in the past ..


Hang in there Teresa. to make things easier, try and focus on the big picture, and not on treating various symptoms. you end up chasing your tail. Diet, cleansing, positive attitude, getting enough sleep, avoid exposure to toxins in food and the environment to the extent possible. and one other thing that is rarely if ever discussed on this forum, the power of the subconscious mind. no one would say that anyone on this list "wants" to be sick, however, for many chronically ill people, the subconscious may want just that. energy medicine practictioners and kineasiologists call it a "reversal". I had it myself when i first went to a kineasiologist.

re chasing symtoms, it looks like you were asking about low stomach acid. no doubt its a common problem, and taking HCL might alleviate some symptoms and make you feel better, but, its certainly not a cure. to go after the real problem means you keep asking why... why low stomach acid, what causes it? and then why again... (lack of minerals and even low oxygen levels can cause low stomach acid among other things...) anyway, you get the idea.

John g