Supersensitive

I have Candida and today I tried to have lunch with a friend. She had a beer and sat across the table from me. Just the smell of the beer, or should I say the yeast in the beer made my head spin. Then the paper items on the table started making me sick. I don't know if it was the ink or the paper, but whatever it was, the particles/atoms were floating off the paper and right into my nose. I got a headache and lost my concentration. It sort of made me feel woozy, but I hadn't touched a drop of any alcohol. I tried a sip of coffee (I never drink it, but thought the caffeine might have a good affect on my plus tea wasn't available). The coffee tasted totally sour. So much for lunch. At least I had good company even if the visit was cut short.

Guess the toxins in my own system must be off the chart again and I'm not sure how to correct it this time. Any suggestions?

Thanks, friends! P.S. One thing with Candida is that it is nearly impossible to have a social life. I keep trying, but it is really hard.


hello, you may well be right about your candida toxins being off the chart if you are reacting negatively to those things. i was a cigarette smoker, but immediately when i got my severe stage candida i got very toxic and could not physically smoke a cigarette, it was like inhaling poisonous toxic fumes (as i suppose they are!) my body couldnt cope as it was struggling to rid itself of the candida toxins, so made the (normally) fine cigarette smoke unbearable.


I was so chemically sensitive that I couldn't turn my water on in the house. I would react to the chlorine. I would react to women's cologne and plug ins. I would react to the Kmart Garden Center. It was soo depressing. However, I don't anymore, and I am wearing Clinique Happy cologne right now (yippee!). I detoxed alot with mercury removal, juice fasting, saunas and everything out there, and I cleaned up my house of every offensive candle, cleaner, fragrance, etc. As far as supplements, I take HCL and milk thistle faithfully. I did take the B vitamins for years and years, but I actually quit having reactions, once I got off of them, but I can't tell you if they were definitely a problem or not. I do know that the three months I took DMG (which is actually B15), that seemed to help. Basically, my sensitivities to fragrances was the last to leave, so there's hope for you!! Just keep detoxing, but do it slowly, and try to get rid of any bad chemicals/cleaners/laundry detergants in your house. Get the load off your body and in time, it will heal.


Hi, great to hear you are doing better!!!


What did you use to get rid of metals?


Infra-red sauna is what helped me get the metals out.


What is DMG?

Thanks,


How awful for you. Well, like you said, at least you had a chance to get in a visit with a friend ;-). I have problems with scents, but not nearly to the extent I used to. Colognes still bother me ( I avoid those ladies in stores, and at my daughter's gymnastics class, who smell like they've bathed in it! )


Thanks. I have to do the same thing as you: avoid colognes, perfumes, even clothing stores because they are treated with formaldehyde. Prolonged exposure to these chemicals makes me really sick. I wonder if this particular symptom can come and go. I had one day about two months ago when I was in the presence of some strong "perfumey" stuff for about 10 minutes and I didn't get sick. It was wonderful not to react.


Hi, have you ever experimented with the HCL Betaine to see if you might have low stomach acid? If stomach pH is not below 4 it can cause all kinds of metabolism problems.


Thanks. Routinely I take digestive enzymes but not HCL. Maybe I need to add this.


Hi, buy the smallest bottle you can get for a test, take one with each meal to start, increase until you get heartburn and back off, over time it might be that you can discontinue it, thats the way it worked with me. Also, sensitivity to smells is a symptom of hypermethlation, this could be caused by a vitamin B dificiency as a result of low HCL. I take nutritional yeast for my B vitamins.


Ditto here, I take yeast too.



Hi,

Thanks guys for your help. I take extra B Vits. (sublingual for B-12, 1 timed release for B6, 1 reg. B6 and biotin). I was tested once for yeast and had a bad reaction to it. Dr. said to avoid yeast in all its forms and its cousins like mold, mushrooms, etc.

Thanks for your help!


Hey;
The test for stomach acid which I have used with success was:
Get Betaine HCL caps. from your HF Store and start by taking one[1] 15 min. before a meal; then take two B4 next meal;then take three B4 next meal.Continue increasing by one until you feel a slight burning,peppery feeling in your stomach,then back off one.I had reached 7 before I had that feeling.As you improve,you will decrease them until you no longer need them;as I have done.Every so often I take one,and it usually tells me I don't have to now.I think the reason I don't have to take HCL now is because of my radical change of diet,and my system is a lot happier.


Hi , your IS is reacting allergically to Candida & co ..As Candida is part of your commensal [organisms we partner and react with] flora it carries the recognition code that marks it out as self � That makes it a stealth pathogen it doesn�t present to the IS as an antigen ..your IS is pushed into �Wound � response reacting to the toxins & damage caused you become hyper reactive your IS is switched on 24/7 ..Paul


What is the answer? AF? Would it be helpful to turn off the immune system? How would that be done? Would the candida get even worse?


The answer is to remove the source .effective treatment with AF�s as per Dr Cranton [Fluconazole is duel it is also effective against lyme & mycobacterium ] ..treat your runaway inflammatory response with Olmesartan as per
T Marshall [test for C reactive protein] Test for & if positive Chelate metals. Easy to type difficult to access , sorry but that�s the reality..Your symptoms tell you that your illness /infection is anything but trivial ..you are extensively infected the treatment reflects that .


After reading your post, I'm taking a deep breath.

You're right, about it being easy to type and yet hard work to do it. Compounded with heavy fatigue, lack of knowledgable doctors and high cost, it's nigh impossible.

Hey, if you were to prioritize the list what would you do first, second, third etc... I need to do it in steps.

Thanks for your suggestions. I will try to do them.


Hi , I do sympathise with you , I�ve spent a lot of time appealing to doctors �.To prioritise , I would say AF�s first, Inflammation second then chelate �but it�s really a hard choice �You can control inflammation with ibuprofen , there are risks , but I know of one lady who is now cured of yeast & lyme using Ibuprofen up to 2 grams a day together with ABX�s �Hopefully metals will be minimal .. �Now is the time for testing ..look for Gliotoin as below ..do your best , treatment reduces the chance of finding evidence�good luck

testing for the presence of the fungal metabolite gliotoxin.
Gen Pharmacol. 1996 Dec;27(8):1311-6. Related Articles, Links
Gliotoxin and related epipolythiodioxopiperazines.
Waring P, Beaver J.
Division of Cell Biology, John Curtin School, Canberra City, Australia. Paul.Waring@Anu.Edu.Au
1. Gliotoxin belongs to the epipolythiodioxopiperazine class of secondary metabolites. These compounds show a diverse range of biological activity including antimicrobial, antifungal and antiviral properties. They also display potent in vitro and in vivo immunomodulating activity. 2. Their properties resulted in a number of early studies designed to exploit their possible chemotherapeutic value, although the general toxicity of most members of this class has precluded clinical use. 3. Most recently, their selective immunosuppressive properties have led to the possibility of ex vivo treatment of tissue to selectively remove immune cells responsible for tissue rejection. The mode of action of gliotoxin appears to be via covalent interaction to proteins through mixed disulphide formation and gliotoxin has been shown to inhibit a number of thiol requiring enzymes. 4. Gliotoxin is also a potent inducer of apoptotic cell death in a number of cells. Gliotoxin and other members of this class of toxins may be produced in vivo during the course of fungal infections and contribute to the aetiology of the disease.


Have you tried anything different-cleansing?new supplements,or antifungals? I notice that I become more reactive some times when I start a herbal or supplement. Sometimes detoxing will have the same effect. Have you had to take any antibiotics lately?


Hi,

I did adjust some supplements (more fish oil, more Vit. E, less cinnamon, more Vit. C) recently. And I started one new one L-theanine. I wonder if that is why? I will have to research....


I was just thinking about a post that you wrote one time saying that diflucan helped you.(or do I have you confused without someone else on the forum?) I agree with Paul that yeast can cause these problems. IF you cut back on cinnamon which is antifungal and increased a few supplements(I would suspect fish oil over the other two or three) allergic reactions can become stronger.Even thou we are taking things that are potentially good for us, if we have a problem with candida, they can make us ill or at least that is what I have found. I could hardly eat or take anything without becomming reactive before treating yeast aggresively. I am not sure about the Ltheanine but the fish oil may be a problem. I think it is a great thing to take and take it myself about twice a week. It was recommended for me to actually take two a day but I absolutely cannot tolerate it even on a daily basis. It has helped my sjrogens syndrome and dry skin problem and I need to take it to help thin my blood but I definately feel a little more "off" the days that I take it.


Hi,

Thanks for the observation about the fish oil and cinnamon. I ran out of the cinnamon and haven't refilled it, yet. I will cut back on the fish oil and see if things are better.

You are right about the diflucan. It helped me immensely! It was as if all my symptoms disappeared until I stopped taking it. Then the symptoms came back with a vengeance. I literally could feel the yeast growing back.

Thanks!


Hi, I would be willing to bet that it was not the smell of the beer and the paper, but the atmosphere you were in that intensified your average candida symptoms. I often have the exact same feeling you described when I'm in a social setting where I have to hold a conversation. Candida can make this thought process very cloudy and you become disoriented and slightly confused (spacey I call it). It happens to me at supermarket checkouts and other places where I have to concentrate. Candida wreaks havoc on concentration.


That exact thing has happened to me in the past and it made me feel physically sick. There is one resturant in town that I can't go in. They must have an air scent thing or something because I get ill right away. Maybe it was something like that for you too?


Maybe, but the problem didn't start until the beer arrived. When it was gone, the symptoms started to lift. I get a similar problem from the smell of freshly popped pop corn. I can't be in the same room with it or I get sick.


Hi, is it like a chemcial senstivity? I feel that way in the soap isle at the grocery store.


Yes, in a way it was. I cannot go down the soap aisle at the store or the bread aisle either.

At least in the grocery store I can hold my breath to get the soap or avoid it completely.

For some reason, the restaurant experience was worse.


Hi,

The only way I have ever been able to to help that is with using liver support, and laying off just about everything else until it clears out, especially antifungals, antibiotics, or anything that you are taking to kill something.


Maybe I need to adjust what I'm taking. What was your protocol?

Thanks,


Hi,

I should state a caveat though, and that is I don't have Lyme and it seems so many folks on this forum have Lyme or some other co-issue, so I don't know how this works if you have something other than candida and a sluggy liver.

In addition, I also follow a no-grain candida diet (except I do cheat a little here and there on the grains now becuase I am able to, but I was grain free 3 years) but I do include fruit (1-2 pieces/day). My diet is basic, protein, veggies, legumes, fats, fruit. Lots of olive oil and lemon. Nothing fermented or cultured for me, tho I understand they work well for other folks.

Yes, LIVER!!!

Forget all candida killing and focus solely on liver. If you are taking in caffeine, stop. If you are eating chocolate, stop. If you are smoking ciggies, stop (this is HUGE - I can't believe what difference this made for me). Take Sun Chlorella 3-4 times a day. Take a good probiotic (I use Healthy Trinity). Get colonics (I have one about once a month). Take liver support like Livatone Plus or LiverAid. Take sylimarin. Take vitamin B complex and C (but don't overdo). Get lots of sleep. Avoid foods you react to for a while, as this also stresses the liver. As you lower your level of toxicity, the candida should fall away. You WILL get die off from this approach. Go with it. Just ride it out. Don't mistake the symptoms for candida growing, and then you panic, and take antifungals. Each time you go back to them you are making it ultimatley worse and harder becuase it re-stresses the liver and re-toxifies you. Dont' forget, it is not only the candida waste that the liver has to contend with, but also the stress from having to neutralize the supplement itself, even if a natural one.


For me, the degree of my food intolerances/allergies is a direct barometer of my level of toxicity and my liver's function. They get better, allergies get ebtter. I get overly toxic or liver slows down, allergies get worse.


Thank you for your posts. I will print them out along with the others. I having a feeling I need to agressively fight the yeast but also that the liver needs tremendous support. It is such a delicate balance and my immune system is rebelling right now! "bleck"